by Rick Martin
The following in-depth interview with Robert Ghost Wolf is a copy of
the front page story of the December 7, 1999 issue of
You’ve often heard the marketing expression "We sell no wine before
its time." Well, as with fine wines, certain conversations are worth
On November 4, I finally caught-up with Robert Ghost Wolf long
enough to have this much-anticipated conversation and interview. As
seems to frequently be the case these days, the conversation moved
from one urgently relevant topic to another and, before you know it,
four hours passed! In keeping with our usual policy, we’ll now offer
that entire conversation for your spiritual and intellectual
I believe you will join in my enthusiasm and gratitude for what
Ghost Wolf has to say, and perhaps you will better understand why we
gave such a thorough background statement about him in the last
issue of The SPECTRUM. As a side-note, it’s interesting (and
predictable, these days) that the more important the message a
speaker has to bring, the more he seems to be "villainized" by the
adversary in an attempt to either silence or discredit the
information. (We at The SPECTRUM are certainly no strangers to this
phenomenon!) Ghost Wolf, too, has not been exempt from such efforts,
however unsuccessful they’ve proven to be.
Ghost Wolf’s message to SPECTRUM readers is universal and deeply
appreciated. This is the kind of article that’s a good read when you
have quiet, uninterrupted time, perhaps sitting in front of the
fireplace, with a clear view of Nature nearby.
We are reminded, while listening to Ghost Wolf, about taking time
for the little things—the touch of a hand of appreciation on the
shoulder, a kind word of thanks or praise, the aroma of a stately
evergreen or the melody of a happy songbird along a winter’s walk—in
short, stopping the merry-go-round long enough to enjoy and
appreciate the beauty that surrounds us, given to us by our Creator
for our enjoyment and growth. There are many such reminders
sprinkled herein. Also, this is the type of article that may be read
once, then gone back over at a future time, for the message is as
timeless in some respects as it is so imperatively timely and even
urgent in others!
For those of you with access to the Internet, several of Ghost
Wolf’s conversations with Art Bell are available on Art’s
www.artbell.com website. You may also wish to look at
Wolf’s website directly
Let’s stop right here and move directly into a conversation that I
believe you will glean much from, and the blessings contained herein
are representative of but a small fragment of that which is to come.
Martin: I’ve structured a couple of
what to many of our readers will be basic questions and will be,
really, old ground for a lot of people. But, for some people,
they will be new.
So, I want to ask you some of these pre-prepared questions as a
springboard, so you can just kind-of go and run with it. Just
let me know when you’re done talking, then we’ll go to the next
one. Take as long as you need and, if we have to sit here all
night, we will.
I’ll run out of tape, but we’ll sit here all night! (laughter)
Ok, let’s talk about "The Quickening". We’re in "The
Ghost Wolf: We have been in "The Quickening" for quite awhile.
Martin: Right. And, you use the term "increase in octave". What,
exactly, do you mean by increasing the octave?
Ghost Wolf: Where I am coming from with the statement "an
increase in octaves", has to do with the understanding that
absolutely everything in the Universe is energy—that we,
ourselves, are energy. Essentially, in my understanding of it
and my experience of it, everything that is around us,
everything that we are connected to, is all connected through a
matrix and the matrix is Light. We can get into a quantum
physics discussion on that so the scientists get satisfied, but
essentially—there is a movie called CONTACT. Did you see the
Martin: I did.
Ghost Wolf: And in the movie there’s a part of the dream where
she has this vision, if you will, and as she moves, everything
moves. That’s really the nature of reality.
Martin: Much like What Dreams May Come.
Ghost Wolf: That was a phenomenal movie.
Martin: Much like that.
Ghost Wolf: Much like that. Now, when I say a higher octave,
consciousness follows energy, because energy is the force that
moves consciousness. If we’re dealing with just consciousness,
we could be dealing with almost a catatonic state.
Consciousness, of its own, has no energy, it’s just potential
everything, but materially it’s nothing.
There has to be an energy that moves consciousness, and in the
Egyptian words, they use the word ska, in the Lakota word, they
use the word ska-skun, and that is "the mystery that moves
things". We don’t know WHY it is, we only know that it IS. We
could call it, in common vernacular, contemporary language, we
could call it "The Life Force"—that which causes things to move.
It’s a Universal Law as we’re coming out of the darkness of our
spiritual awareness, because for the last 2,000 years mankind
has been degenerating in spiritual capability, as well as
spiritual awareness, until we reach the present society where
everything is technology.
I mean, kids can’t even count change anymore. They have to rely
on a computer telling them how to count that change. Everything
that we do is reliant upon technology. We have no concept or
grasp, really, of how far we have become totally computer
reliant. And, what we’re missing is that we are the ultimate
We are, as living beings of Light, we are transducers of that
Light, which means that we receive and we transmit. The Light
comes through us and we transmit it. We transmit the Light
through us as thought. How we become activated in consciousness
is, there’s new thought that enters our realm of reality.
I’ve also said, along with "The Quickening", that
into the 5th World. Now, there’s a lot of interpretations of
that and a lot of them are incorrect, meaning, we are now in the
4th World. The 1st World was mineral, with spirit. The 2nd World
was mineral. The 3rd World was vegetable, or plant. The 4th
World is animal. This is the experience that we are in now.
Mankind has been here in this 4th World for—we’re not certain
how long—depends on which school you talk to.
The Sphinx that I found in Colorado is well over 200,000 years
old. There are scientists who are estimating that the age of the
Sphinx in Giza is well over 28,000 years old, based upon what
they’re looking at. If you go to Mayan history and you speak to
the Mayans, they speak about civilization in the Mayan culture
as being well over 30,000 years old. We speak to the Hopi, they
talk about their remembrances of their beginnings go back
12-14,000 years. When the prophecies were given to them on the
Hopi tablets, we’re talking, roughly, 10,000-10,200 years ago.
We are moving now into a higher vibratory field. The shifting of
the 3rd-Dimensional World into the 5th-Dimensional World, or the
5th World—and the 5th World is where man walks upright, owning
his spirit. He returns to his origins and becomes
God-Man-realized. We become realized beings-of-Light. We take
the responsibility for what we are; we are awakened to what we
are; and we are awakened to our natural abilities.
What happens as these worlds merge, as you merge from a
3rd-Dimensional World into a 5th-Dimensional World, you’re going
through many warpages of reality. They could be considered
distortions of reality, where people are losing a sense of time.
They become disassociated. They may walk around their house for
hours not knowing what they really did. They may start out going
some place, and they know that it takes two hours to get there
and, somehow, they made it there in an hour and twenty minutes.
They can’t figure out how that happened. They’re also going
through changes in personality where they become almost like
different people, through the course of weeks and months, which
is why we’re seeing a lot of difficulty in relationships because
relationships seem to be breaking up. You seem to have a whole
lifetime in a couple of years, and then, all of a sudden the
couples outgrow each other and one goes in one direction, and
one goes in another direction.
We’re seeing this also played out in the observation and
acceptance of our spiritualities, our religions, our theology,
where we were once—and, a very short time ago, I might add,
we’re talking ten or fifteen years ago—we were accepting without
question of a totally different kind of paradigm where we
accepted the stories of Adam and Eve, these kinds of things.
Now we go, "Well, that’s not really the way it is!" Now we sit
there and we can sit down with a bunch of scientists and doctors
and statesmen and talk about the potentialities of our
involvement with extraterrestrials.
Where is all this thought coming from? We’re coming up with new
ways of healing. We’re coming up with the understanding of
energy and how to apply energy, and it’s changing the whole
medical profession. It’s changing the way we deal with illness,
the way we deal with almost everything that’s around us.
Where this is coming from is this higher octave of energy. When
the higher octave of energy moves-in, when the higher
frequencies move-in, what happens is they disrupt the paradigm;
they disrupt the thought patterns. And these thought patterns
are what most people build their core-beliefs upon. This is how
we know that red is red, and a daisy is a daisy, and this is a
father and this is child, and this is a family; I mean,
literally, everything—how we perceive the world around us, how
we perceive our social conditions.
All of this is going through tremendous turmoil and tremendous
change. It’s going through a period of chaos that could be
looked upon as what’s happening—it’s "the end of the world".
It can also be looked upon, when you realize what’s going on,
from another perception. The perception being that all Creation
comes out of chaos. You cannot create something new from that
which existed. You have to create something new with new
substance, and you have to create it with a higher energy than
perpetuated the original circumstance.
Am I making some sort of sense with this?
Martin: Sure, yes, keep going.
Ghost Wolf: So, "The Quickening" is that we are responding to
the higher frequency literally; it is a quicker frequency. It’s
a more rapid frequency, so that we’re—for instance, I get emails
all the time, I get letters all the time, people calling me up.
I have someone, right now, calling me from Sweden because
there’s this valley over there that people are being driven out
because of what they’re calling "a hum"—ok?
Now, the first time I ever heard about this phenomenon was,
maybe, in 1992-
Ghost Wolf: -1993, up in Taos, New Mexico, where they talked
about "the Taos hum", and how it was driving people crazy, and
people were moving out of the neighborhood.
What we’re dealing with is that all Creation was sung. This
world was sung into Creation. You know, if we go to the
aboriginal people, they do sing-songs when they travel through
the desert and it tells them, and guides them, to where the
water is or where the game is. They know where they’re going
because they follow the song.
The Navajos, the Danay people here, have a similar kind of
chanting that they do, and it’s the toning, it’s the harmonics
of the toning that cause things to occur. What we’re
experiencing is a toning that’s happening between dimensions, as
the dimensions shift, and where the life-force energy in the
Earth is really strong and waking-up, people are actually
hearing the vibration.
It’s like if you were sitting in your living room and suddenly
you were hearing these tones in your ear and you were wondering
where they are coming from. And sometimes they sound like a low,
droning motor, and people start walking around the house and
going "Is there something on? Is it the refrigerator? What is
this?" And yet they realize that the sound is actually coming
from inside them. This is part of the activation by the higher
[Editor’s note: And so, too, some of the low-frequency sounds
heard are due to underground tunneling or other secret projects,
usually associated with some nearby secret underground military
What is the higher frequency causing? What the higher frequency
is causing is: 1. It’s causing us to think faster. We think a
lot faster than we can move, most of the time. We’re sort-of
constantly trying to catch-up to the speed of our Internet. And
sometimes the human mind works that fast, but you can’t get from
Tehachapi to Washington in the amount of time that we can think
Ghost Wolf: And so, this is causing everything inside your
consciousness to go into upheaval; it’s going into dis-order.
It’s going into dis-order for the purpose of creating a new
order. And this is basically what the higher octave is about.
Again, like I said, we could get into quantum physics about it.
It makes it so that all of life is moving faster.
Martin: How does this relate to the concept of the holographic
planet, or the holographic universe?
Ghost Wolf: Well, what we’re talking about, we’re talking about
higher octaves of Light IS the holographic planet. Around every
living thing there’s a field of energy, and the field of energy
as we have perceived it and tried to explain it, as we go back,
let’s say over the last 75 years, if we go back through the
teachings of Alice Bailey and Blavatsky and Krishnamurti, we
could even go into Ram Dass, Sathya Sai Baba—what we’re dealing
with here is that, we have called this an aura, correct?
Everyone has an auric field.
The terminology of auric field, when you’re looking at the
energy field around people, is not entirely correct because the
auric field can go out as much as 75 miles. If you had one
individual in the middle of Death Valley, in the desert, and
this was the only individual in that area, if you walked into
that area you’d be able to feel the presence of that person. You
would know that there was something or someone there. The energy
field that people are talking about that they call aura—and this
is all connected to the holographic explanation—if you take your
finger-tips and you put your arms out all the way, approximately
where your finger-tips end, if you were to draw a complete
circle around you in all six directions, that is how far your
energy field goes out.
Now, inside that field you see color, yes, but what you’re
actually seeing is the inter-playing of emotions and thoughts,
ok? Your emotions have color, because they have frequency. If
there’s a frequency, it’s going to have color, it’s going to
have sound, and it’s going to have intensity. So, there’s also a
sound involved in that field. Every individual has their own
When medicine people go out and they walk through the woods and
they walk through the desert, and they’re gathering herbs, they
rely on both seeing that field, and feeling and hearing that
frequency. You can stand some place and you can hear the
frequency of what you’re looking for, then you follow it
empathically and it will take you right to the bush, or whatever
it is you’re trying to find, to work on that specific dis-easement,
Thought also has color. When we sit in a room, and I think most
people can relate to having sat in a room, and you see little
dots of light moving around in front of your eyes or, you’re out
in the woods and you see little flecks of light moving, and
people go "Oh, look, they’re little spirits!" They’re not
necessarily little spirits. What they can be is, actually, your
thoughts interacting with the energy-fields of the trees,
because trees have thought; they have feelings; they have
We’ve evolved to the point that we know plants react to us. If
somebody walks into a room—and they’ve done numerous experiments
with this—if they walk into a room with the intent of doing harm
to the plants, they can actually register the frequencies on the
computers. Now, these colors that we’re seeing really are an
interplay of our thoughts, thoughts coming into our energy
field, and our emotional reactions to them. If we’re seeing
someone who’s depressed, the colors tend to be brownish or
blackish; they’re clouded over. If we’re seeing somebody who is
full of anger, we will see a lot of dark red. We’ll see orange.
And this is through auric vision, what we call auric vision; the
ability of the eye to perceive that. That’s a physical thing.
It’s, literally, a physical thing.
Animals, when they look at us, do not see us in our hard bodies;
they see us in our light bodies because animals, in their eyes,
still have rods. And it’s the amount of rods around the pupil of
the eye and the retina that determine the ability for us to
We have developed in our forced, or imposed, perception the
formation of cones around the pupil. So, what happens is, we see
hard reality. We see a brick wall. We see a person wearing a
suit. We tend to see the attitude of the person by the body
language. We are totally disconnected from the subtle fields.
That’s the whole thing about the holographic world, it’s the
subtle matrix that connects everything and causes the
interaction between things.
I’ve broken it down in my books to three basic fields within
your energy field. You have thought. Then you have feeling,
which is how you perceive the thought. And then you have action,
which is how you react to your perceiving. This comes toward
you—if you were looking at an auric field around a body there
would be three layers, with thought being the outer-most layer;
feeling more toward the body; and then right around the body
itself there is a thin layer that’s the "action field".
That is then absorbed on the inner body and reversed, ok? It’s
sort-of like St. Elmo’s Fire; it comes in that way, but it comes
out reversed. So that the first thing that happens to the body
is the body feels the action or the reaction to the outside
environment, then it thinks about what it’s feeling. It’s trying
to perceive what it’s feeling. What am I saying, in other words?
It’s perceiving it’s feeling. Based upon the feeling, we take an
action, whether the action is right or wrong, incorrect, it’s
immaterial. It’s how that process works. And everything,
absolutely everything on this planet interacts with each other
in accordance to that matrix.
When the consciousness of a people begins to degenerate or
decay, when they no longer have a strong sense of self or
origin, what will happen is, everything in their environment
will begin to degenerate, to fall apart, to go into chaos. And I
think that the way we are seeing our society today is evidence
The holographic world, in many ways to people who are in
shamanic understandings or shamanic ways of expressing their
lives here on this planet, we work with that subtle energy
constantly, every day, every hour. We understand feelings more
than we understand words. The hardest thing is to put that
understanding into words.
So when you say "What is the holographic world?", it’s the
of the ACTUAL reality. It’s not the result of. It’s the actual
life process and how it works, how energy interacts with energy,
how thought becomes an energy and it manifests the nature of
reality. It’s in the subtle worlds, the worlds that we call the
invisible. And yet 98% of everything in our life, including
illness, is based upon our perception or our mis-perception of
those subtle energy fields, which IS the holographic world. It’s
If I walk into a room and you and I are having a conversation,
and some other people are there with us, and we’re all of like
mind, there’ll be an energy in that room. If someone comes in
from the outside who is totally unrelated to what we’re talking
about, they just came from a traumatic experience or they come
in and they’ve had a few drinks and no one else in the room is
drinking, everyone is sitting here meditating and working with
Tibetan bowls—the whole room will react to the energy of that
other person. And what they’re reacting to is the holographic
geometry, the geometry that is set-up from the Light being
manipulated by our emotions and our thoughts, and we, literally,
create geometric patterns.
Does that sort-of explain it?
Martin: Yes, it does, beautifully.
Ghost Wolf: And I think that what we’re going into now is, we
are learning—because we are becoming more and more receptive to
these higher octaves—how to perceive on that level. We are now
starting to understand that dyslexic children are not retarded;
in fact, they are overly bright. And most dyslexic children work
with right-brain. They don’t work with left-brain. There are
some people who can learn very well from words, and reading
books, because they know how to recite. They know how to
remember, and they can recite. But is that really intelligence?
Is that really comprehension, or is that simply the ability to
mimic, where the person who relates from the inner, who relates
from empathic ability—meaning the ability to understand and
translate emotion or feeling—can actually understand a whole,
broader spectrum at one time?
They might be thrown for a moment because they are perceiving so
much, in comparison to the person who is just being linear and
totally left-brained, that it takes a while for them to digest
it. The Mayans have a way of saying "we are thinking, feeling
And what we think, we create pictures in our minds, and the
pictures in our minds are then empowered by the emotions that we
allow or disallow, and depending upon our ability to control
that emotion is how well we can manifest reality. So that, to
me, is about as good an explanation, without getting scientific
and losing half the people, of what the holographic world is.
It’s more real than this world, because everything in this world
responds to it. You see?
Martin: How do you see the average person’s daily experience
changing, as these frequencies gear-up, from a perception
Ghost Wolf: A lot of my work has had to do with the emotional
storms. I talk a lot about the emotional storms. I talk about
the changes in the behavioral patterns that we’ll see, because I
felt that that was more important to understand than trying to
look down a totally shredded time-line and figure out what
geophysical event was going to occur, because when you do that
you, number one, don’t see things with dates. Dates are
ridiculous. The only time you see a date is if you happen to be
doing something and you happen to see something, and you happen
to be in front of a newspaper—seriously. There’s no way that you
can tell what date this volcano blew-up. All you can see is that
this volcano blew-up.
So what we’re seeing, when we’re seeing these things, we’re
seeing a sequence of events. We can calculate things happening
by a sequence of events. The human species, right now, is going
through tremendous turmoil trying to adjust to the speed with
which we’re getting the new information. The rate of speed that
the new information is coming in is ten thousand times faster
than it was ten years ago. If you look at some older people, who
basically still have their faculties working, they can’t
comprehend how fast the world is moving.
Look at our language. The English language is an amazing example
of watching how we have progressed through changes. We sit down
now—and I sort-of got this when I was at my daughter’s wedding,
’cause her grandfather is close to 80, but everything works, the
faculties all work. He got up there and "Lindyed", showed
everybody how to do that kind of a dance, and nobody knew how to
do that. But, when he looks at the world around him and we’re
sitting around having what we perceive as normal conversations,
he does not understand what we’re talking about.
Ghost Wolf: It’s almost like we were speaking a foreign
Ghost Wolf: And, yet, they’re the same words that we spoke 40
years ago, but the words themselves now have entirely new
meanings. What I see happening with people right now is a lot of
stress. We’re under constant stress. We’re moving beyond what we
once comprehended and was taught to us to be the foundations and
understandings and perceiving of time, so that we now go through
a day and we don’t have enough time to complete anything. And,
yet, we’re doing half of what people did 20 years ago, in the
space of a day. I remember, 20 years ago, you went to your job,
you came home and took an hour to meditate, and then you went
over to see your friends. Then, you turned around and got back
and had a dinner. And then maybe some people came over or you
did something, and you worked on a project, and then later on
that night you turned around and you go through another hour of
It’s almost like we don’t have enough time to do that anymore.
Where is the time going? One of the things we could say about
that, and the phenomenon of how the frequencies are picking up
and "quickening", is that our 24-hour day, based on the 24-hour
day that our parents had 20 years ago, we’re talking about 14½
hours vs. 24 hours, so that we are actually compressing our day
into a shorter period of time. But, we’re taking on more. This
is causing tremendous stress.
The other thing that we’re seeing is, as the frequency is
causing the internal changing in us—because I emphasize again,
that we are, in fact, a race in transmutation—we are becoming a
new race within ourselves.
Everyone talked about the Cecil B. DeMille kind of
end-of-the-world and something was going to happen, and the
Golden Age was going to appear, and whether it was the ship that
was going to come from the sky or the magic trumpets that were
going to be blown by the angels, and then the Four Horsemen of
the Apocalypse were going to come up, and this whole new race
was going to happen. We didn’t perceive how that would happen.
And how that’s happening is that we are, eternally, becoming
different beings. Not only do we not have the time, it appears,
that our ancestors had, and we’re talking 20 years ago, but we
also can’t even eat the same diet that they ate. We cannot eat
the same kind of food. We digest everything faster. We move
faster. We’re moving to a quickening beat. The heartbeat has
picked-up. The metabolism of the body has picked-up. The way we
communicate thoughts has picked-up. We’ve changed our language
to adapt to the speed with which we’re trying to get the
We are learning how to move into hyper-space. As a result of
this, we are having problems in relating to everything
holistically, so that there’s a lot of children suffering. The
children are suffering because it just doesn’t dawn on the
parents that four days have gone by and you haven’t talked to
your kid. And the kid’s standing here wondering "Ok, when are
they going to talk to me? Did I do something wrong?" You know?
There’s another phenomenon happening with the kids because of
the frequency change. They are tremendously brighter than we
could ever have hoped to have been. (Laughter) I mean, I can’t
tell you how many times my 12-year-old son will come up and go,
"Oh, well, the problem with your computer is you have to do
Ghost Wolf: You have to go "Oh, ok." I’ll sit there and I’ll
sweat going through the manual, trying to make my Adobe-thing
work, and my 18-year-old son will come over and go "Dad, can I
sit down for a minute?" because he’s learned not to tell me I
don’t know what I’m doing, right?
Ghost Wolf: He’s respectful that way, but yet, he’ll sit down,
and in five minutes figure out what just took me seven hours of
trying to figure it out, and I’m in total frustration.
We’re also seeing young children who have an ability to speak
many languages, rapidly. I took my own 12-year-old son to
Mexico, and within a day he was conversing with people, ok? So
that the whole—it’s like, how do I put this in a simple way? We
were raised on a matrix and we were taught a matrix when we were
younger, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, that worked
on 60 hertz. Now the guys are working on 360 hertz. Everything
is moving that much faster.
Because of that, we’re stressing-out. We’re going through
nervous breakdowns, and we’re taking all of the supplements to
keep us balanced, and everybody is on St. John’s Wort, Valerian
Root, because we are burning-out the myelin at the end of our
nerves. We’re running at such high frequency, trying to perceive
everything that’s going on, as fast as we want to perceive it,
that we are causing ourselves to have relapses. We’re causing
ourselves to go through many little burnouts. And we’re starting
to find out the other problem, which is why this is happening—is
that nutritionally, even though we eat better in this country
than anywhere in the world, and everyone’s got a belly, we’re
starving to death.
We don’t have enough nutrients in our food anymore to turn
around and move the thought. We don’t have enough minerals in
the blood to carry the thought, because the blood and thought
has to travel through the body. It’s no different than if we
were doing a tape recording of an orchestra. What makes one
particular type of bias tape better than the other? It’s the
amount of metal in the tape, otherwise it’s all celluloid.
When we don’t have minerals in our blood, when we’re not taking
the proper minerals in our food, we are iron deficient. We are
When we are mineral deficient,
we cannot pick
up all these higher octaves. So we tend to walk around in a fog,
and everyone is going "What’s the matter? Is it Alzheimer’s
disease, that I can’t figure this out?"
No, it’s that we’re starving to death. We’re suffering from
malnutrition. We’re not getting the right supplements. We’re not
getting enough minerals.
Then, the other effect we’re getting out of that malnutrition
condition is chronic fatigue. Everybody’s tired; everybody
doesn’t have any energy. They can’t get up and do what they used
to do, and they’re not old. I’m not talking about old people. I
mean, I just came from my daughter’s wedding in California and
I’m looking at people in their late 20s, and they’ve been
married for a couple of years, and I’m listening to the
People are talking about they don’t have healthy relationships.
They don’t have any sex life, everyone’s too tired; everyone’s
going to sleep. We’re talking about people just don’t have the
mental energy to stay up and read books anymore. They want
everything presented to them on video and audio tape. They just
don’t have the energy to be self-motivated. We’re talking about
people who are constantly, constantly tired.
Again, this goes back to two things: The speed at which we are
moving, because we follow energy, and energy follows thought.
The thought moves, you project a thought, it projects the
energy, it causes things to react to, to respond to. When you
are moving at that rate of speed and your metabolism has slowed
down because you’re not getting the proper nutrients, what
happens is, you feel a lag. It’s literally like jet lag—only
people are suffering from it chronically.
So, we’re seeing a lot of physical things happening to people
right now, through the shifting. We’re seeing a lot of people,
also, going through dietary-shifting. All of a sudden they can’t
eat the foods that they’ve been eating for years because they
seem to get sick from them, or there’s a lot of people suffering
from intestinal things because they’re not digesting their food
We’re seeing a lot of physical ailments and people can sort-of
pass that off and go "Well, that’s ok, that’s not important."
But then, I think that they should ask the question "How come
the hospital rooms are so overloaded now that in many areas
they’re closing down the emergency rooms except for cases of
extreme trauma because the emergency people are so overworked
they’re on seven-day, eighteen-hour shifts?" They can’t handle
the amount of people coming in.
People are then translating these kinds of things to psychic
attack. They’re trying to put spiritual superlatives on it, and
what it really has to do with, is that your physical body is not
moving as fast, it is not as pure as it should be to keep up
with your energy.
So, one of the most important things that people can do at this
time is to understand the importance of purifying their bodies.
And I’m not talking from a moralistic stance. I’m not talking
about going out and suffering and fasting. I’m talking about
We are getting about 40 percent of the minerals that we used to
get out of food 10 or 15 years ago. We also have problems going
on because of the additives in the food, because of the
preservatives in the food, and because many, many foods are
filled with everything from
Aspartame to polymers. The body does
not digest polymers. What happens to the polymers is that they
build up in the body, they build up in the intestines, and your
intestines, literally, become coated with plastic.
So, now, you’re eating food that has 40 percent less minerals
than it had 15 years ago, and you’re absorbing maybe 20 percent
of what you eat because everything is clogged-up. So, now what’s
happening to people? What’s happening to people is that this
clogging-up of the organs is causing them to have stressed
livers, stressed kidneys, stressed pancreas.
What happens when that happens? Well, you then start suffering
from toxicity. What happens when you start suffering from
toxicity? You’re chronically ill; you’re chronically tired; you
have no energy; 80 percent of your energy is going to fighting
the toxicity; you’re constantly fighting pathogens; your immune
system is exhausted; your adrenal system has flattened-out; you
have no energy; you turn around and you go for the supplements.
Ok. What do the supplements do? Well, the supplements put you on
overdrive. You can go on overdrive for a period of time, but
eventually you’re going to burn out the organism.
the Hopis and the
Mayans, and others who I’ve worked
with, we talk about the body a lot as if it were understanding
the universe. We talk about, there are 12 basic organs in the
human body that keep everything in harmony. And we talk about
that there are 12 planets, which now we’re coming into the
realization of, thanks to people like
Zecharia Sitchin, who came
out with a book. Thank you, NASA, for finally admitting
that - since we caught you with the teleshots - that there really is
something out there.
There are 12 planets in our solar system. There are 12 organs in
our body. When we have these things all in harmony, then we
won’t have this problem. Sai Baba said, a few months ago, in a
talk he was giving at his ashram, about the importance of the
purification of the body; the importance of eating the proper
nutrients, so that we could sort-of hook-up to and merge with
the new frequencies of consciousness that are moving into our
plane. And then, unless we did this, we simply would not be able
to perceive it. We would be blocked. We would not understand
what was happening.
I believe that, as we look around us and we see so many people
suffering from these various illnesses, what we’re looking at
is, our planet dying. We’re looking at the human race, dying.
They’re falling asleep, simply because of malnutrition and
improper diet. And the tendency is to blame it on everything
outside. And it’s not anything outside; it’s everything on the
inside. So, if that makes sense, it’s not a prophecy of
doom-and-gloom, it’s good ol’ common horse-sense.
If we’re moving into being bodies of Light, one of the things
that we have to do is purify our bodies so that the Light can
come in. The other thing is, we have to put into our bodies that
which will hold the Light. The other thing that we have to
contemplate is how do we put Light back into the body?
If we’re moving into a holographic world, that is a world based
Sacred Geometry is simply the geometrical language
of the holographic forms upon which, and through which, Light
expresses. It has everything to do with Light.
So, if we’re eating impure foods, if we’re filling our bodies
Aspartame and poisoning our minds, if we are eating
genetically-engineered foods that have no life-force in them
whatsoever, then we are not putting into our bodies, Light.
What happens when you’re not putting the Light into the body?
Well, very similar to what happens to plants when they can no
longer conduct the process of photosynthesis. They cannot use
the Light and transmute it into energy. We can no longer take
the higher octaves and transmute it into thought. We do not have
the energy to understand it because we are suffering from
malnutrition. We’re suffering from over-toxicity. We’re
suffering from all of these physical things that we’re putting
into the body. It has nothing to do with God cursing us, or our
spirits getting angry at us, or somebody zapping us with
That stuff exists. Yes, there are people who use that for
malevolent purposes. You know, it’s like we say about the sacred
pipe, or any of the ceremonies that I do—you can use these
things to heal. You can also use these things to cause harm.
That’s why they’re not just given away freely to people.
Everything in our universe is energy. Everything in the
holographic universe is energy. If everything in the universe is
moving up to 18,000 cycles a second, and you’re slowing down to
8,000 cycles a second, you will not be able to sustain life.
Does that make sense?
Martin: Yes, it does. Let’s move back—this is a little off from
where I wanted to go, but we’ll get there, eventually. Let’s
move back to what you were saying about inter-personal
relationships and stress, and just, generally, people feeling
stress. I’ve observed that also, especially in the last few
months. Do you have any real suggestions for our reading
audience concerning stress management in a 4th-dimensional
Ghost Wolf: Twenty-five years ago, Titus, who was a
priest and elder, and I worked with him, and he taught me the
mysteries of life through his corn field. And he would say:
you want to understand the mysteries of life, understand how the
corn grows. Understand how you make it grow. Understand how you
sing at the rain, how you sing at the water, and how it
responds, and then you will understand why my corn field is
twice as high as my neighbor’s. Because my neighbor just plants
things, and then doesn’t pay any attention to them."
He also gave me another wisdom. He said:
"In the future, things
are going to speed up. They’re going to speed up very fast, and
children won’t have time with their parents because the parents
won’t have time. And they won’t have time with their
grandparents, and everybody is going to be running around at a
speed and it’s going to make them crazy, and what you have to
learn how to do is, slow down."
Twenty-five years ago I could look at that philosophically and
metaphorically. Now, I’m seeing it physically manifesting in
front of my eyes! We have to slow down and find our own rhythm.
We have to not move faster than our emotions can comprehend.
In a relationship, one of the most important things that we can
understand, now, is the necessity to communicate, and to
communicate clearly. To not just THINK that we said something,
but make sure that the other person understood what we said, and
make sure that we understood what they said. That will stop the
miscommunication, which later leads to outbreaks of violence on
I mean, an argument is violence, it’s just one level. I mean, it
builds up to a psychotic-type impulse, and then the psychotic
impulse builds up to, all of a sudden, somebody hauls-off and
hits the other person. Then you have domestic violence. It’s
really just a different degree of intensity of the same
emotional stress cracking. We go through that, and that happens
when we no longer feel ourselves.
I think that the most important thing that we can do in a
relationship is to understand the relationship within ourselves.
The male-female relationship externally is played-out in
accordance to how we deal with the male-female relationship
within. If we understand our emotions inside, and if we allow
ourselves grace and poise, and we allow ourselves the time to
truly understand and put our attention on what’s going on
inside—like Titus would say, he put the attention on his corn
field, so he communicated with it—if we stop taking our own
emotions for granted, and we stop taking our own bodies for
granted and just ASSUME that they’re going to work on some
magical automatic pilot, then we will be focusing our attention
on that. We will be activating the Life-Force within us.
As we come into a harmony and an allowance within—which comes
down to, there’s basically two roads left for us to follow: one
is love and compassion, and the other is hate and chaos. Love
and compassion within is going to cause us to have love and
compassion outside, because again, consciousness dictates the
nature of reality. It’s not a probable, it’s an absolute.
If I create within myself a state of grace, then that is how I
will deal with the outside world, whether it be another person,
or whether it be my job, or the person I’m interacting with on
my job, or the person that I’m interacting with on an everyday
Everything is a relationship. Human being means in relationship.
There’s no way that human being can live alone and solitary
without relationship. It’s been tried, and when that happens,
you become lunatic. You are no longer human being. You have to
interact; that’s part of the human condition.
We die from loneliness because we cannot interact. We are dying
from loneliness right now because we are not interacting
properly. We are not communicating with each other, so everybody
is feeling unloved. Everyone is feeling the tremendous lack of
compassion. Everyone is screaming, like little spoiled brats,
"What about me? What about my pain?"
You have to work on your own pain now. And working on your own
pain, you’ll have something to give the other person. And you
have to understand, when you’re looking at the other person,
that they may not be reacting directly towards you. They’re
reacting to their pain, as well.
So, it comes to a point where we have to say, "Where do we stop
the merry-go-round? Where do we stop the whirlwind? Where do we
stop the labyrinth?" We have to stop inside. We have to get a
hold of who we are; we have to commit to who we are; and then we
have to start declaring to the outside world, with compassion,
not as a tyrant: "Wait, this makes me feel uncomfortable. I’m
really not suited for this kind of experience. Why can’t we just
sit down and talk about this?"
Why does a disagreement between a couple have to turn into an
argument? The disagreement just shows two different perceptions,
but the reaction that is chosen, the emotion that we choose to
let loose, well, if we choose anger and we react out of chaotic
emotion, uncontrolled emotion, then what we have is an argument.
And then, what always happens in the argument is, you get caught
in the current of the argument and you don’t even know what
you’re arguing about by the time the argument is through. But
you’re so caught up in the current of it, it’s like a magnet.
It’s like an electrical force that holds you into it.
A lot of what I see going on between couples—and a lot of this
comes from my own experience, and how do I correct my own life
because my life is extremely stressful. I’m constantly on the
road. I’m constantly dealing with people 24-hours-a-day on the
phone, all over the world. I’m constantly going to seminars, or
going to ceremonies where I’m dealing with hundreds, sometimes
thousands of people.
I have 500 emails a day that I’m trying to work with. And I am
just one person, with a voluntary staff, trying to do something.
I know some people think that it’s a big corporation and it’s
not. So, it’s not that I’m trying to talk esoterically or
piously, from up on a hill like the hermit in the cave who’s not
involved in swimming along with everyone.
What I’m talking about is, I’m right there with you. And what I
found that works in my life is to try to understand my own
emotions so I can express them. To make declarations about what
makes me feel good and what doesn’t make me feel good. That can
be as simple as saying "I’m not going to go to the Caboose
Restaurant every morning and eat that greasy fried breakfast,
because every time I eat that greasy fried breakfast I’m sick
for two hours, it throws my metabolism out, and I’m in a foul
mood." So, it’s like, we have to break the patterns.
We’re being given an opportunity to see the patterns. A lot of
what happens in the stress that happens between a relationship
is because the couple involved, or the two people involved,
refuse to see the other one’s point of view. The reason why they
refuse to see the other person’s point of view is, usually,
because they don’t understand their own. Make sense?
Ghost Wolf: So, once we change the inner, we’ll change the
outer. And whenever we’re dealing with anyone, whenever one
human being is interacting with another human being, we’re
always dealing with the mirror of our own emotional storm. If
we’re in a state of poise and grace, then the storm that’s going
on around the person just outside of us will calm down. They use
this when they have a suicide patient or a psychotic patient and
the guy’s up on a building and is going to jump off the building
because there’s been too much stress and he can’t handle it
anymore, she can’t handle it anymore. And they’ll send someone
in to start a communication line. And what can happen that’s
successful is simply because the person is skilled in taking the
time to emotionally touch the other person, to allow them to
release, to listen.
Nobody LISTENS to anybody anymore; we simply REACT. Most
husbands don’t listen to their wife. Most wives don’t listen to
their husband. So, they keep getting caught in these two
third-dimensional forces, crashing up against each other, with
no release. The minute somebody puts the magic ingredients in
it: "Let me listen to what’s really going on here. What are you
really trying to say?" then suddenly the person becomes animated
and alive, emotionally. They feel like their emotions aren’t
just going out to nowhere. They feel like they’ve got a purpose,
that they’re communicating. They feel that they—they’re
connected to life.
The frustration that so many people feel right now is that
they’re NOT connecting to life, you know: "You’re not hearing
me. My dream isn’t coming true." This isn’t what happened. They
don’t spend time getting to know each other. It’s one of the
things that I spoke about at my daughter’s wedding. I said: "The
most important thing in your life is what comes through your
heart, and what your heart feels. As you go through life, your
head is going to create a lot of pictures and a lot of
scenarios. You’re going to listen to people on the outside.
You’re going to have many influences on you that will tell you
that you should be this way and you should be the other way.
What are you doing with that person? How can you let them do
this to you? How can you be treated in this manner? What matters
is: what does your heart feel?"
So, I think this brings us back once more—you know, the Iroquois
have the oldest philosophy of life, running and existing in this
country. Many things that are American come from the
understanding and the wisdom of the Iroquois people, and in the
Iroquois way of looking at things the most important thing that
we have is the Sacred Fire of Life. They call it the hearth.
This hearth burns inside of you, that you have within you the
male and the female aspect. When you learn how to balance this,
you then go into a relationship with a woman or a man, depending
upon what gender you are, and you then expand that relationship.
And that’s the beginning of a family. From the family, you then
have children. The children then have uncles, brothers, sisters,
it’s all part of the same matrix.
There’s no difference between that family hearth, and the hearth
of the society that we live in. When you lose self, you lose the
ability to communicate. When you lose self, you lose the ability
to hear and understand. And then you are caught in a reactionary
mode, where all you are doing is reacting to everything around
you. When you do that, your heart [energy] center shuts down.
You no longer can perceive your feelings. You are caught in the
current of a wild emotion. It’s like holding onto a wild horse.
When you do that, you lose contact with the God-Force.
forget that you ARE God, in action. You are God experiencing in
this plane. And you start to fall into your limitation. When you
fall into your limitation, you are feeling disconnected,
disavowed, disempowered, and you feel that everything is
happening to you, because you’re isolated. This is what I see
happening in relationships.
So, the road to take is compassion, compassion with self,
because once compassion is exercised with self, it’s easily
implemented and understood with all things around you.