Area 51 Scientist
Dr. Dan Burisch
Dr. Dan Burisch Meets With 2 "Outsiders"
WallRace 4/7/2004 5:40 am EDT
Re: Dr. Burisch and His Enigma: Volume 5:)
Face-to-face with Dr. Dan Burisch
Area 51 microbiologist in lock-down, working with the Lotus Project and
J-rods, meets with two "outsiders"
by Sterling D. Allan
Greater Things News Service
April 6,7, 2004 LAS VEGAS,
I imagine you folks at GLP have been anxious to receive a report from
(harrdrawk) or myself (wallrace) regarding our recent three-hour,
face-to-face meeting with Dr. Dan Burisch.
As you know, Harry and I drove to Vegas Friday April 2, 2004 with the hope
of meeting Dan at the UNLV campus on Saturday, but that meeting was scrapped
because there was too much suspicion and concern regarding it. We were being
brought in by an insider under the cover of being maji 12, but Dan's
security did some checking of inbound flights, and they could not identify
anyone they knew.
The next day or so, we were informed by the same insider who had extended
the first invite, that we would have "one last chance" to get in and visit
with Dan. In about 24 hours, there would be a one-hour window. BJ would be
The next morning, after fixing the flat on the car that had now logged over
1,000 miles since Harry left S. Idaho for the first attempt, we headed back
My wife wasn't too happy about me going. She was not keen on the possibility
that she might have to continue on as a single parent because I get killed
or disappear. She was more upset with me over this than anything that has
happened in our near five years of marriage.
Based on the communications
Harry and I had received regarding the pending
meeting, I did not think the danger level was very high at all. We arrived
in Vegas with plenty of time to scope out the meeting place. We then drove
to Boulder Dam, which is behind the mountain range that is purported to be a
natural stargate (Frenchman's Mountain), to wait out our time.
As far as we know, no one from the "outside" has been able to meet with
since 2002 when Bill Hamilton interviewed him at the UNLV
Speculation has abounded as to whether or not Dan is even alive. The
purportedly spent $125,000 to erase virtually everything they could about
Dan in the public arena, including his microbiology degrees.
BJ likewise has not had contact with the outside world for quite some time.
She was inducted shortly after Dan was.
The maji 12 have exerted great time and expense to propagate the idea that
Dan's very existence and purported accomplishments are no more than another
lunatic fringe hoax. Harry has spent a great deal of time over the past six months studying
case and accumulating intelligence on the various facets of the science and
I am more of a newcomer to this subject. Harry recommended that I come with
him because he thought I would do it, and because of my background (past) in
Microbiology; but mostly because I am relatively nearby, in contrast to
others on the GLP forum, who cover the globe in their various locales.
So there we were in Vegas, at the appointed time and place. From our vantage
point we could not see Dan or BJ, so we walked over to the specific place we
were told they would be, and as we rounded a corridor, there they were.
Harry said quietly to me, "That's them." I recognized Dan too, but had not
seen B.J's photo before. (see right image)
As we walked up to the table, Harry said, "Dr. Dan Burisch."
Without hardly moving his head up, Dan glanced up at us with a very gruff
look on his face as if to say, "Who are you, why do you know my name, why
are you here, I'm not expecting anyone." Harry then said the pass code.
Dan said something in reply, "are you here to
talk about ____"? and we looked puzzled, which made them even more skittish.
Harry explained that he is from GLP. Dan didn't immediately register.
Then Harry introduced me by name and said I was the one running for
President. Then Dan made the connection of who we were, and the concerned
look was nearly washed completely off his face.
He and BJ moved over to make room for us to sit down. I sat by Dan and
sat by B.J. They said they were in a state of shock, as this was completely unexpected.
It showed in their faces, and did not subside for at least five minutes.
From then on, though, the ice was broken completely, and both Dan and
not seem concerned in the least about us, but seemed relieved and grateful
to have us there -- someone from the outside.
We asked if we could tape record the conversation. They declined. I asked if
I could take a few notes, and they said that would be fine. Nearly
everything they said, they did so while half-way looking at the other to
verify that they were okay in doing so. BJ seemed to be the one ultimately
calling the shots in what could or could not be said.
As Harry churned off a briefing of who he is, and what GLP has been doing in
following his situation, and how much information they have been
accumulating and filtering, both Dan and BJ commented on how astonished (and
glad) they were with how much information has gotten out.
They were glad to learn how much of their book, When Eagles Disobey, has
been pieced together and posted in the GLP/Burisch library.
Dan commented that he really appreciated receiving Harry's card the other
day, and that he has it posted in front of him at his desk. When we
explained that we were the ones who had come Saturday to meet him at the
library, Dan and BJ looked at each other and said, "that explains it." They
commented that someone from he inside had to be setting these things up, and
you could see them churning a few names in their mind. Harry commented that
the person who arranged this said he(?) is not someone they would typically
expect, and that they "would crap their pants" if they knew who it was.
Our conversation covered a wide array of topics briefly. Without a tape
recorder and better background knowledge of what Dan is doing, my report
here will be admittedly inadequate and prone to misrepresentation of actual
statements made. I'm afraid I'm too rusty in my microbiology (2 years
graduate work in 87/88 and 95/96) to have been able to understand Dan as
well as I might have otherwise.
What I will say, though, is that there is no doubt in my mind that Dan is a
genius microbiologist, versatile in other disciplines as well, including
psychology, anthropology, and eschatology. In my humble opinion, he is Nobel
Prize material; and I will not be the least surprised if he receives it in
The three hours went by rapidly. Several times BJ would ask Dan if maybe
they should wrap it up, but each time Dan declined, and once of these times
he said, "I'm having too much fun."
We moved between two locations about three times to get away from loud
noises and possible eavesdroppers. As we walked between locations, I noticed
that Dan has a scar running straight up the center of the back of his head,
about 1/4 thick, and about 4 inches long, starting at the top of the neck
and going up. Harry said he thought it went all the way to the crown of his
head, which was bald.
Harry remembers his head as naturally bald. It seemed to me that it was a
shaved bald. Dan is probably somewhere around 5'0" - 5'2" tall.
BJ is a
little shorter than me, at about 5'7". He looked very much like the photos I
saw previous to our meeting: particularly the one in which he is looking up
from his microscope as if to say, "who are you, and why are you taking my
picture?" B.J. is very different from what I had imagined. She is very protective of
Dan, but very gentle. She used to work in surveillance, and said they could
see the time on your watch from about 300-400 feet up. They commented that
their security will protect, but not take proactive, aggressive measures. If
they are in protect mode, they might make it look like a mugger did the job,
to cover their tracks. Dan commented that a lot of the openness is at his
insistence. He needs an occasional break from the four walls of his office
Sometimes all of us would be talking together, other times I would be
talking to Dan, while BJ and Harry talked to each other; and other times I
would be speaking with BJ while Harry spoke with Dan. It was quite the scene
as we would be carrying on independent conversations in such close proximity
to another conversation. But in all this, BJ kept half an ear cocked to what
Dan was saying, and occasionally would stop and focus, and make sure he was
not stepping out of line in what he was disclosing.
The one I found most humorous was when I was talking across the table to one
of them, while Harry, next to me, spoke across the table to the other.
As I think back now, we created a rectangle shape, with an x between, by the
shape of our conversation, which is the shape Dan drew while explaining a
HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE CONVERSATION
One of the first things Dan mentioned was that he would like to gain
immunity so he could speak before a Congressional hearing (and not just in a
library room as he did with Bill Hamilton - right photo) and divulge the information that
he has (e.g. [my summary] regarding his direct knowledge of and involvement
in man-made biological weapons, his first-hand scientific interaction with
an extraterrestrial at Area 51, non-willful human subjects of
experimentation, ET treaties, etc.). This was also one of the last things he
said near the end of our meeting.
When I asked him about his "disappearance," he pulled out his current NV
driver's license and set it on the table for us to see. He didn't seem to
think that his being a non-entity to the outside world was necessary, and he
even seemed to be put off that people would consider him anything other than
what he is: a living scientist in temporary lock-down for security purposes.
Toward the end of our conversation, I remarked to Dan that he didn't seem to
be all that upset about being in lock-down. He responded with a round-about
statement that it is a sort of love-hate relationship. On one hand, the
lock-down enables him to focus and get a lot done without interruption. It
also provides security from those that might try to thwart what he is doing.
On the other hand, he does not like the limits it places on his freedom to
do what he wants and go where he wants. Ultimately, he and BJ would like to
be out, but they accept their present state as a necessary condition --
though they do not agree with all parameters involved. Come March 15, 2005,
Dan's report will have been submitted at the Masonic temple in Wash. D.C.,
and he will be able to "retire," and go to a research institute of his
Dan and BJ clearly view the science Dan is working on as being pivotal for a
better future for mankind. They are not at all pleased that there are
factions both on the inside and the outside that would use this technology
for anything other than to impartially improve life.
I mentioned that I believed that the various prophecies did not describe
certain outcomes, but rather were probable futures to provide us with a
warning, and that we can turn away or mitigate certain outcomes by
correcting our path. BJ rigorously agreed, and said that this was precisely
what they were about. I think she would agree that a major shift in
consciousness of the people in general was necessary to go along with the
scientific progress being made, or the scientific progress would only result
in greater destruction.
They do not have high regard for those among their ranks who are only out
for their own survival and advancement. Dan said that some of the
were outright racists of the darkest hue, reminiscent of Nazi Germany --
trying to clean up the gene pool for the sake of a better outcome for them.
He spoke of
the Illuminati and Luciferians as being one and the same, except
perhaps as a matter of semantics, "Luciferian" would refer to the religion
while "Illuminati" refers to a sect. These are not theoretical existences
but a matter of regular interaction in the case of Dan and BJ.
I tried to pick BJ's brain to understand how their operation fits into the
U.S. govt. secret ops and Illuminati operations. I was not able to get that
one clarified very well. The best I can tell is that they are all kind of
mixed together in the same general team, the good and the bad, and it's not
always easy to tell who is who. They each serve each other's purposes, so
they put up with one another, but also are interested in seeing their own
agenda prevail as opposed to the agenda of the other faction.
BJ mentioned that funding has been a lot more tight since the clamp down on
PARTICLES OF LIFE
Dan spent a few minutes explaining to me about the class A, B, and C
particles involved in the Ganesh particle (which theoretically is capable of
inducing healing and immortality). This was one of those conversations he
and I had while Harry and BJ were on another conversation. Harry said that
BJ commented to him, "their talking about science again," or something like
that, as if to say, "don't worry, he loses me too when he talks about that
From what I could gather, the Class B particle acts as a sort of
or channel for the Class A particle. He never got around to the
The Class A particle is the primary Ganesh particle
of life. It is comprised
of some protein components, as well as sugars and (oligonucleotides? [forgot
the other one; that word comes to mind]). He said he has not done the gas
chromatography and other assays to determine the molecular composition of
the particle. He said something to the effect that he doesn't want to know,
because he is getting too close to something that he doesn't think the
planet is ready for.
The Class A particle luminesces (gives off light) when it is "active." He
told me the exact measurement range, but I can't remember the unit he used
nor the number.
He showed me several pages of several images each showing these particles.
The methods of taking the images were confocal, and polar illumination, and
Rineburg (I am not familiar with these, though confocal rings a bell).
Before he launched into the description of the different classes of
particles, he talked about the tree of life, showing me two Egyptian images
on a page and speculating that before the "fall" there may have actually
been three strands in the DNA. I may not have understood him correctly. He
didn't elaborate on this, but stated it in a way as if to say, "if that
makes sense to you, then you're ready to understand it, if not, no big deal;
I'm not sure myself, I'm just venturing a good guess here."
He believes that right now is a time of a fall, and that the rogue
extra-terrestrials were involved in the first fall as well as this one, and
that this one is a sort of culmination of the first. I shared my belief that
we are now in a time when we will reverse the effects of the fall and come
back into the garden (which of course has spiritual as well as temporal
He also mentioned that they have taken a "broth" of elemental components,
applied light, pressure, and vibration, and have produced cellular
structures -- the beginning of life. I asked if these cellular structures
included "nucleus, golgi, etc," and he said they did not -- just the
Later in the evening, he showed me a paper he was drawing from Gariaev,
Birshtein, et. al. called "DNA-wave Biocomputer" He also referred me to a
paper (/book?) called "Structure of Evolutionary Theory" by
regarding "punctuated equilibrium."
He drew a stick drawing of a normal DNA molecule, and next to it drew a
stick drawing of a PNA molecule. I'm not sure why he was drawing these. He
was over my head. I'm not sure if it had to do with a marker method or if it
was being used as a building block.
Earlier in the conversation he mentioned that his assignment regarding the
J-rods had to do with repairing a genetic weakness in them in which their
nerve system is malfunctioning. He used the word "oligodendrocyte." He said
the mutation was causing them to not be able to regulate their body's
temperature, and that the ideal ambient temperature was colder than what
humans could withstand.
Near the end of our meeting, I put a question to Dan something to this
effect: "I hear people talking about 'spiritual DNA' and
'cell memory.' To
me it sounds a little hokey and like housewife science. You are a serious
microbiologist. What's your take?"
Before I had the question completely formed, both Dan and BJ lit up. "As a
matter of fact, that was exactly why BJ (not sure if that was the name he
used for her) and I were getting together tonight -- to talk about that very
He believes that he has come up with what may be an actual scientific proof
to back this up. This was the "latest and greatest" from what I could tell.
He drew four U shapes )V^( in a cross shape, with the opening away from the
center. He said that the
remote viewers/intuitives had been seeing and
drawing this shape. He looked at me and said, "magnets" as if he was giving
me a hint for a possible breakthrough by someone, but did not pursue that
thread with me any further. He said he got to looking at that shape and saw
that it created a German cross looking shape if you draw lines connecting
the opposite ends of the Us. One section of this makes the shape of what he
called the "Olphanic stargate."
He then said he took some Q-tips and glued them together into the shape of
an octahedron, and started moving it around in different orientations, and
said that if you shine a light through the octahedron in a particular
orientation (which he said would be obvious), that the shadow creates the "Olphanic
Stargate" shape. He then talked about (by allegory?) that the same
phenomenon applies in our DNA, that there is a spiritual reality that (sort
of?) resides in a (side dimension?).
When he was done explaining this, he was like a child that had just
discovered the most incredible thing. He looked at me to see if I "got it,"
but I think he got more of a "I wish I did, but I'm not sure I followed all
that." It seemed like a lot of leaps to me without understanding one step to
the next of his flow of logic.
I imagine we'll be hearing more from him on that one.
The next thing I asked him about was if he was familiar with the work of Dr.
Len Horowitz, who has exposed the laboratory origin of HIV and other nasties.
Here I could tell that I was getting into a sensitive subject with him. When
he talked, he did not come right out and say, "I did such and such," but he
said, "let's take a hypothetical situation that there is a person that did
such and such," while clearly implying that he was that person. Before he
launched into the hypotheticals, he did clearly state that in times past he
had been involved in genetic engineering of bioweaponry for the U.S.
government, in which viable organisms were created that were a product of
the laboratory, and not natural environment. This is where he wants immunity
from possible charges of war crimes so that he can testify openly about what
he was involved with.
I asked him very pointedly, "how could you do this? Did you not perceive the
end result?" He replied something to the effect, "Do you think I could
create something and not know exactly what it is going to do? if it's going
to be lethal on one end of the spectrum, or if it is going to have a minor
effect on the other end of the spectrum?" As he said this, his manner of
speech and body language was such that to him it was as obvious as daylight
that such a creator would know precisely the outcome.
I was commenting to Harry latter that I wish I had challenged him on that,
because that seems like the height of human pride and folly to presume that
they know such things, when they can't possibly know just how it is going to
perform in situ.
As a side note, Harry then gave me an example of this very phenomenon in a
story that is currently breaking, and could be a bigger fiasco than phen
phen. Monsanto created a hormone, rVST that spurs the cow to give many times
more milk than usual. It turns out that it also causes children to go
through puberty at much younger ages -- like 7 - 8 years old; and that just
last month Monsanto issued a memo to the dairy farmers that they will be
cutting production to 50%, and that the farmers should begin cutting back in
their usage because supply is going down. What they didn't say is that their
milk is creating premature maturation in human children. This could put
Monsanto out of business if enough people catch wind of it.
Speaking of Humility, I will credit Dan with at least knowing the importance
of humility. It came up early in our conversation. I think in this instance,
Dan went over that line into deep pride and denial. In the "hypothetical"
mode, he said,
"Let's say there is a person who had an opportunity to server
his country by creating such a weapon [man-made virus to target a specific
outcome]. Would he do it 'for his country?' Yes. Let's say that this person
also is involved with creating such organisms for the government but not for
military purposes. Would he do that? Well, let's just say that he imposes
certain restrictive components so that... [I don't know that he finished
that thought. As I asked him about "restrictive components" (not sure he
used the word "component") he hinted at the idea that there would be an
element of the organism that would be limited by availability of a
particular reagent, and thus even though a viable organism is produced, the
ability to replicate it would be limited by that restricted element, thus
creating a breaking mechanism so that the thing would not get out of hand --
or something like that; he was being pretty cryptic] Now let's suppose that
this same person decides to put his own 'signature' -- something that other
microbiology nerds would pick up, similar to what is done in the computer
As I engaged him in his statements, it was obvious that he was talking about
projects in which he was directly involved, and that he has a way to prove
that he created it. I commented to him that this would then enable him to
have concrete evidence when he goes before a congressional hearing. He said,
"yes," with a sort of imploring tone of -- 'when can we get this
In other words, as he patched various sequences of DNA together in
formulating these designer viruses, he included in the sequence a
"signature" that would show up in all the progeny. So the present form of
this virus could be taken by any university and be shown to have an
identifying "signature" that can clearly be tied to him. When inducting him
into the present position he is filling, his handlers obliterated his
records of ever having been a microbiologist. What they did not count on was
that this guy they were messing with had another way to prove that he a
microbiologist, and that he was involved in creating designer viruses for
the U.S. government.
I offer it as sheer conjecture that Dan may have a similar trick when it
comes to the Lotus Project and the Ganesh particle.
He'll be giving them
what they asked for, but they won't be able to do with it what they had
intended -- at least he hopes not; and that may be why he can in good
conscience continue with the project, with his positive applications in
mind, while being consoled by the notion that he has quietly sabotaged any
possible negative application.
My response to him, next time I meet with him, will be that the only
assurance that a technology will not be used for evil ends, is not found
inherent in the technology, but in the hearts of man.
GOING BACK TO THE CAR
As we concluded our meeting, we embraced each other with hugs. Both seemed
grateful to be receiving a hug from the outside world, and seemed to even
soak it in like a drink after being parched.
They went one way, we went the other. We took our time, made a rest-room
stop. Harry wanted to wait longer, so we would not be leaving at the same
time. I prevailed by saying that we were not in any kind of danger. Security
was oblivious to our presence. As we walked up to our car, some 20 feet
away, we saw Dan and BJ getting into their cars, which happened to be parked
immediately opposite Harry's car. Dan joked, "Hey! stop following us."
Despite the good humor, we all continued forward as if we did not know each
other. There are probably nearly 1000 parking stalls in various spots around
the place we were at. And there were plenty of empty spaces everywhere, so
the probability of our parking so close together is very low, yet there we
We had a similar coincidence coming in. I was driving, and the car had begun
acting up (vapor lock?) nearly as soon as we came into Vegas. It was getting
more and more difficult to get the car going at stop lights. It was acting
like it wanted to stall. Finally, when we were at the destination, pulling
right next to the valet, the car stalled completely -- at our destination.
After a minute or so, I got it going again, and we parked it where we could
work on it. On a hunch, Harry said we would just let it sit. When we came
back to it, it worked just fine, and never repeated the problem again on our
several hundred mile trip home.
Here are a few more items in a random order from our conversation with Dan
The recent heightened solar activity is having an effect of activating some
of the natural star gates. I didn't catch this one, but Harry said Dan and
BJ said that six of their staff and one child recently disappeared at the
Frenchman's Mountain stargate east of Vegas.
Dan said the man-made stargates are about the size of a 100 gallon barrel
and are filled with orgone(?) gas, and then charged around the perimeter.
There have been 90 of these made, and 60 have been reclaimed. One of the
main reasons for the
war with Iraq is to reclaim some of these that
Hussein had in his possession. Also, the recent softening of
was most likely the result of a bargain that was made [my recollection of
this statement may be coming from a later conversation with Harry, not from
Dan recently was looking at a sun spot, and saw a half-cherub shape in it.
He said it coincided almost precisely with a cherub image he has in his
collection. He qualified this observation as "non-scientific" but notable.
He mentioned that the book/paper he is writing to report this Lotus
technology is not going to be in the typical academic format, but will be
more casual, as it draws from multiple disciplines.
One of the first things he said was to correct me when I used the word
"alien." He said, "There are no 'aliens,' they are all
of earth origin." I don't know if I buy that as a feasible blanket
statement, but it may be generally true. When Dan and BJ wrote
Disobey, a guy named Robert Charles [I'm not sure this is the correct name;
Harry would know] who is listed as one of the authors (or in the credits?),
was most likely a CIA plant whose purpose was to introduce statements that
would introduce a "hokey science" element to the book and give people reason
to discredit it.
There were 200 pages clay tablets that hold information about a wormhole
between this planet and ___(?) If I understand correctly, this set of
tablets was being transmitted via stargate recently, and when it came
through it was so hot they could not touch it; when they came back the next
day, MUFON was all over it (the latter part comes from a conversation later
BJ burned her fingers on something to this effect, and one the first things
mentioned in our conversation was that her fingers still hurt, and you could
still feel the raise from the burn. She showed her fingers to Harry, who
felt them. Sheala Anderson, a
remote viewer who challenged the (magi 12?) powers that
be was maimed (by them) to the point where she requires assistance. "Blood
was coming from her eyes," Dan said. "She is living in fear to this day,"
I told BJ my story of my parent's dog Winnie, who was not afraid of
anything, and it was her lack of fear that protected her when dogs twice her
size would come charging after her to engage her in a fight. She would
ignore them, and keep trotting forward as if they were not even there. Tail
straight up in the air, head held high. "That's the posture we should take,"
I told her.
I got the feeling that she and Dan almost enjoyed their captivity in a sort
of masochistic way -- like a battered wife who will not leaver her abusive
husband. Not that extreme, but there was a slight shade of it. How much of
the control being exerted over them is bluff? Certainly a human tendency
would be to enjoy all the doting -- good and bad -- as it creates a sense of
self-importance. Dan and BJ are human. Still, I will say that they are
generally refreshingly humble and down-to-earth.
When Harry reported in his briefing to them that "there are a lot of people
praying for you," with hardly a second's hesitation, Dan retorted, "you
should be praying for each other." The impression was that he wanted to
deflect that kind of doting attention as being too much, and wanting instead
to make the point that everyone is equal in the sight of God, and we all
have a role to play.
They see their work as very important, but not all-important. Others are
doing great things too. The 7 months is not to write the book but the
bibliography (references/citations for the book).
They mentioned that they do not have any problem with remote viewers
checking up on them and seeing what is going on. They invite it; and they
invite reporting of intuitive or other input that might be of assistance. He
said the best way to get that through would be to mail it.
They commented that Bill Hamilton started "showing up" like we did, and it
wasn't long before he was inducted.
I don't think Harry and I fit the profile of a suitable inductee. Too
independent and too open.
skywatcher22 4/7/2004 10:08 am EDT
Dr. Burisch and His Enigma: Volume 5:)
Quote... "They commented that Bill Hamilton started "showing up" like we
did, and it wasn't long before he was inducted."
Inducted? Into what? This is news to me. The last meeting I had with Dan was
on March 13, along with Deborah and later B.J. The purpose of the meeting
was unknown. It was said to be authorized by the 12 Maji. Why they would
authorize such a meeting is unknown.
Dan has conducted an enhanced replication to Lorenzo Spallazani's famous
experiment, wherein the notion of abiogenesis was sent to its rest. Results
from this 'enhanced' replication confirmed Spallazani's original results.
Dan has also produced protocells that differentiated into cycling
cells. Also, some of the results he obtained are suggestive of neurogenesis,
something which will be of great interest to an M.D. associate. The results
of these experiments and replications of been forwarded to the higher ups
I am glad you had this meeting Wallace as now you are one of the few who has
had a face-to-face talk with Dan and B.J. When I go to Washington next week,
I will be seeing who I can contact on getting Dan that hearing he wants. I
will take your report with me for reference as well as my whole book of
documentation on this.
Very best, Bill