Welcome back to Award-winning 21st Century Radio's Hieronimus &
Dr. Bob Hieronimus. My better half is Zoh Hieronimus,
host of The #1 "Zoh Show" Monday through Friday 9-12. Our
Executive Producer and Research Assistant is Laura Cortner. Our
Engineer is Robin London-Dean.
Tonight we're focusing on the problem of America's shadow
government concealing UFO information from We The People. If you
can't accept the fact that our government would lie to the
American public and disinform us about UFOs, then you've bought
the Brooklyn Bridge. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA)
passed in 1966 has provided all the necessary evidence to
substantiate our government's deception and disinformation
Over 30,000 pages of formerly top secret documents
extricated from our the files of the NSA, FBI, CIA,
Force, Army, Navy, etc. were once said not to exist. Today
thanks to FOIA, these documents prove beyond the shadow of a
doubt that the American public has been consciously and
deliberately misled by officials on the subject of UFOs.
Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI said
on 21st Century Radio two weeks ago? Over 90% of what we learn
about UFOs from researchers, government and the media is
disinformation! No wonder, so many nuts and bolts UFO
researchers are prone to belittle his important efforts!
But how many journalists and broadcasters read primary UFO
research that would tell them this? Many science reporters are
gullible enough to swallow the government line that states that
UFOs do not exist, and the military would not lie to the
American public about UFOs. The reasons for the government
duplicity may have been necessary at one time, but today they
are no longer tenable.
The FOIA has also provided documentation directly from
government sources of the,
visual and radar sightings of UFOs
over Edwards Air Force Base in 1965
visual and radar sightings
over Loring AFB in 1975 (Maine)
Malmstrom AFB (Montana)
Wurtsmith AFB (Michigan)
Minot AFB (North Dakota)
AFB (North Dakota)
Carson AFB (New Mexico)
Elgin AFB (Florida)
Fort Ritchie Army Base in Maryland
a UFO landing at
Kirkland AFB, New Mexico (1980)
Another question to ask yourself is: if UFOs don't exist,
has the military made it illegal for their servicemen to talk
about unexplained UFO sightings?
In February of 1953, the Air
Force issued Regulation 200-2, which instructed Air Force
officers not to discuss UFO reports that were unsolved, and to
classify the reports at restricted level. By December 1953, the
Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a Navy-Air Force publication 146
which made the unauthorized release of UFO reports a crime under
the Espionage Act, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a
In 1969 "The ET Exposure Law" was passed under
Title 14, Section
1211 during the Apollo 11 Lunar Mission. This law requires that
if you are exposed to ETs you can be held indefinitely in
quarantine by our government.
Now, how many times have you heard this expression of ignorance:
"If UFOs were real, our government and military would say so --
they have no reason to keep it a secret!"
Next time you hear
that, ask the questioner: If our government and military don't
believe UFOs exist, why have they made it against the law for
their personnel to discuss positive UFO sightings, or even to
come in contact with them?
Successful disinformation campaigns to cover up the existence of
UFOs have been waged by NSA, CIA, FBI, NASA, U.S. Air Force,
Navy and Army and are well documented. Our government and
military do not want the American public to know that UFOs can
penetrate our airspace and manipulate our missile guidance
systems, and they are helpless to prevent it.
30,000 pages of
testimony attest to this fact. No government wants its people to
know that they are incapable of protecting their defense bases
and citizens from an invasion.
The 1960 Report from the
Brookings Institute "Proposed Studies on the
Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs"
which was delivered to the Chairman of NASA's Committee on
Long Range Studies concluded that,
"Scientists and other
decision makers might interfere with the release of ETI
information even to the extent of withholding it
The FOIA has produced substantial
proof that this has been and continues to be government policy.
Tonight we'll continue our UFO probe in order that our listeners
and viewers can be prepared for some important revelations by
our government before the year 2000. From an article we pulled
off the Internet we learned that our first guest tonight, former
NATO intelligence sergeant Robert Dean, has assembled 20
astronauts, former intelligence officers, generals and admirals
who are willing to testify to a Congressional Committee about
what they know about UFOs, provided that they are released from
their national Security oaths.
The videotaped depositions of sworn
key witnesses have been taken by a prestigious Washington, D.C.
law firm, and stored in its safe, awaiting public hearings. Mr.
Dean is working with CSETI's Dr. Steven Greer in concert with
former astronaut Gordon Cooper, another high ranking military
officer, and a General, to plan the release of UFO information
to which they are privy. Dr. Greer and Sgt. Major Dean are part
of a Coalition which has been putting together the best evidence
of UFO/ET reality.
The evidence includes not only
military autopsies on ET corpses, but also fighter pilots,
generals, astronauts and cosmonauts who have witnessed UFOs
close up, as well as UFO metal samples and ET tissue samples.
The Coalition's plan is to take their Briefing Documents and
evidence to world leaders, the U.N. scientific academies and
religious leaders for a pre-briefing.
Then the Coalition will make a
public Disclosure within the next 12 months. Dr. Greer reports
that the White House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon
and the United Nations are being enlisted to assist, and no one
has said that this cannot come out.
Is all of this true? That's why we've asked Bob Dean to join us
during hour one to discuss this topic and update us on his other
projects such as the Coalition for Honesty in Government. Next
hour we'll be joined by Dr. C.B. Scott Jones who, according to
this same article on the Internet, began the White House
initiative to get the Clinton administration to make public what
the government knows about UFOs and ET visitation.
Robert O. Dean, Command Sergeant Major (ret.) has been
researching UFOs for 40 years. He served at Supreme Headquarters
Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), NATO as an intelligence analyst
with a Cosmic Top Secret clearance. After retiring from the Army
in 1976, Robert worked for 14 years for the Federal Emergency
Management Agency for both Pima County and the City of Tucson.
He is the former Pima County Section
Director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) and continues as a
member at large. He's also a member of the Center for UFO
Studies (CUFOS) and the Ancient Astronauts Society (AAS). Robert
is a frequent speaker on local, national and international
television programs and conferences around the world.
He has a Masters-Level Degree in
Emergency Management and his present research involves the
development of a process of synthesis to correlate, evaluate,
and integrate data concerning the human/extraterrestrial
Bob Dean was last with us on July 28, 1991 in our review of what
he refers to as "An Assessment" which is basically what NATO
knew about UFOs.
Welcome back to award-winning 21st Century Radio/TV News, Bob.
Bob Dean: Hello, Robert, it's good to be back. Thank you
very much for that fine introduction.
Bob Hieronimus: You note that your involvement with UFOs began in the Spring
of 1961 in a large military headquarters just outside of Paris.
What were you doing there?
Bob Dean: Well, Robert, I was not there in '61 when the event
occurred. On the 2nd of February in the very early hours of the
morning there was an event that took place in 1961. It literally
almost began World War III between us and the Soviets. At that
time the Air Marshall, who was a Deputy Supreme Allied Commander
in Europe, an Air Marshall by the name of Sir Thomas Tike
initiated a study, an in-house military program to try to
determine what in the world had been going on.
Literally we and
the Soviets had almost begun shooting at each other at least
half a dozen times because of fly-overs of large, metallic
circular objects flying at a high altitude, at a high rate of
speed all over central Europe during these Cold War years. Well
the event in 1961 was simply the straw that broke the Air
Marshall's back, literally. He said "We've had enough of this.
We've come too close too many times to start shooting at each
other. We're going to have to find out what this is all about."
So they initiated a study there in 1961, Robert, and I didn't
arrive until 1963. But when I got there in the summer of 1963
and at that time I was assigned to the Supreme Headquarters
Operations Center a place we called SHOC. I worked in the War
Room and I had a Cosmic Top Secret Clearance. And a lot of the
people in there at the time used to discuss this under way
program, what it was all about, what it meant, how interesting
it was to everybody. And literally, it was a common discussion
among everyone in the classified section of the War Room.
When I arrived in 1963, I learned it was underway and Bob, I was
there when they finalized it and published it in 1964. They
literally changed my life. From that moment on I stopped being
just a curious skeptic and I realized for the first time that
this was not only real, but my God, this was probably the most
important issue in the history of the human race. That's when I
got involved with it.
Bob Hieronimus: There were up to at one time, 40-80 disk shaped
objects over flying that particular area and that's one of the
reasons why WWIII almost happened, is that correct?
Bob Dean: They used to fly out of the Soviet sector in the east.
They would come out of Russia, deep in Russia, fly over the
Warsaw Pact area, fly over the German area. As you know, Europe
was divided right down the middle in those days. And these
things would fly at a high speed at a high altitude in
formation, very obviously under intelligent control. And for a
time, the Soviets thought they were ours, and actually for a
short time we thought they might have been the Soviets.
we are geared up with our fingers on the triggers and our thumbs
poised on the red buttons and the last damn thing we needed back
in those years was starting WWIII at the wrong time for the
wrong reason. But these things were stirring up all kinds of
military trouble. They would fly around our jet pilots, they
would fly around our fighters. They would fly over and come over
and hover over our Air Force bases and they just stirred
everything up something awful. The military finally said we'd
had enough of this, we're going to have to find out what's going
Bob Hieronimus: Well, we'll get to that assessment after we take
a break here.
Bob Dean: Well that's how I finally got involved with it Robert.
Bob Hieronimus: Well, what a dramatic way to do it, Bob!
Bob Dean: What a jolt that was for me.
Bob Hieronimus: Well, we're going to find out what the
assessment was. It was 8 inches thick as you note, well
illustrated. We're going to find out who compiled it, what was
in it, and where are copies of it, if the copies exist today,
when we come back.
Bob Dean: Well, that was only the tip of the iceberg.
Bob Hieronimus: Our guest is Robert O. Dean who was telling us
about NATO's Assessment of the UFO situation and his plans for a
Disclosure Conference for high ranking personnel to go public
with their UFO information.......... Robert, "An Assessment" --
the purpose of it was to gather all available information on
UFOs so that WWIII would not be caused by misidentification of
UFOs. Let's review this document. When was it published?
Bob Dean: Well, they began it in 1961, Bob and they published it
in 1964, late summer. I was in the SHOC at the time, in the War
Room. When this thing finally came out, they only published it
in 15 copies. It was given a Cosmic Top Secret clearance, and it
was the most sensitive document that NATO had at the time.
1 went to the Secretary General of NATO.
Copy 2 was sent to the
office of my boss, General Lyman Linditser (sp?) who was known
at that time as the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe.
was placed in the vault in the War Room and each and every one
of us who were in there and worked there on shifts could see
this thing and read it.
And as you said earlier, it was about 8
inches thick. The original document itself was roughly an inch
and a half, but it was supported by 6-8 inches of annexes and
appendices. It had a sub-title called "An Evaluation of a
Possible Military Threat to Allied Forces in Europe".
It was a military study with a very finely focused military
goal. To determine did we or did we not have a threat. And when
they concluded in 1964, the conclusions were absolutely earth
shaking, at least in my opinion. Because not only did they
conclude that there was no military threat involved, but my God,
some of the indications that they came up with, this study this
alien involvement had been going on for an extremely long time.
Bob Hieronimus: Extremely long time -- in the area of thousands
Bob Dean: Well, they said hundreds if not thousands, yeah. They
determined, when this thing was published that we were dealing
with at least four different groups. Four different alien
intelligences or civilizations out there.
Bob Hieronimus: Did it describe them? Where they what we know of
today as the Greys?
Bob Dean: The group at the time, there were just four that they
knew of for certain and the Greys were one of those groups.
There was a group that looked exactly like we do. There was a
human group that looked so much like us that that really drove
the admirals and the generals crazy because they determined that
these people, and they had seen them repeatedly, they had had
contact with them, there had been abductions, there had been
These people looked so much like us they could sit
next to you on a plane or in a restaurant and you'd never know
the difference. And being military and being primarily paranoid,
that bothered the generals and the admirals a little bit. That
the fact that these intelligent entities could be involved with
us, walking up and down the corridors of SHAPE, walking down the
corridors of the Pentagon. My God, it even dawned on a couple of
them that these guys could even be in the White House! Of
course, as I said, being paranoid in those years it really shook
things up a little bit.
Two other groups, there was a very large group, I say large,
they were 6-8 maybe sometimes 9 feet tall and they were
humanoid, but they were very pale, very white, didn't have any
hair on their bodies at all. And then there was another group
that had sort of
a reptilian quality to them. We had encountered
them, military people and police officers all over the world
have run into these guys. They had vertical pupils in their eyes
and their skin seemed to have a quality very much like what you
find on the stomach of a lizard. So those were the four they
knew of in 1964. But I've been told by friends that are still
active in military service that it's well over a dozen by now.
Bob Hieronimus: I think David Webb points to the possibility
that there may be scores of different types. Very fascinating.
Now, but they are considered to be peaceful and that they are so
advanced that they could have taken over our planet by now...
Bob Dean: Those were the conclusions, Bob in 1964, they had
studied repeated examples and there were demonstrations of their
technology that were repeated continually and I think they were
done on purpose. We concluded from the repeated demonstrations
of their extremely advanced technology that if they were
malevolent or hostile that it would have been over a long time
So they determined that there was probably not a military
threat involved. That this thing was involved a lot more than
just that, that it had been going on for a very long time and
the advanced technology they demonstrated made it very clear
that if they had something in mind like taking our real estate,
my God, they could have done it a long time ago.
Bob Hieronimus: And also, there was inclusion of a crash
retrieval in Bremen Germany? Is that correct?
Bob Dean: Well, it happened near the little town of Timensdorfer
in northern Germany. This happened in 1964 in the early spring
before they published the study in the late summer of 1964. A 30
meter disk crashed near the Baltic sea just a mile or two from
the little town of Timensdorfer and that was in Western Germany
but it was very very close to the dividing line, the line that
divided East Germany from West Germany. It happened within 1/2
mile of the Baltic Sea.
This 30 meter disk crashed and when the
British army got inside of it, they found that there were 12
small bodies inside of this thing and that really shook them up.
There was one complete annex in the assessment on the autopsies.
I read the reports and I looked at the photographs and as I
said, my God, talk about being in a state of shock. I was in
shock, in SHOCK, you might say.
Bob Hieronimus: Robert, this is 30 some years ago. Thirty some
Bob Dean: Let me tell you something even worse than that, Bob.
Yeah, this happened 30 years ago, and the question arises why
don't the American people know more about what's been going on
than they do? But when we finally found out what was happening,
Robert, I was to learn later that the U.S. Air Force and U.S.
Army and our government knew basically the same things that we
concluded in the SHAPE study in 1964. My government, your
government knew these very same things as early as 1949. And
they had never shared any of this with the American people.
That's the kind of thing that really bothers me. It's not the
alien involvement, it isn't the extra-terrestrial matter. The
thing that troubles me the most as an old retiree, as an
ex-serviceman, is that I see my constitution being trashed by a
few arrogant, elite bureaucrats in government that were never
elected to make these policy decisions, Bob. And these guys are
keeping the lid on this thing and keeping the greatest secret in
history from the American people and that's the thing that I
resent the most.
It isn't just the reality of the extra-terrestrial thing. That's
a given. As I said, our government knew that as early as 1949.
SHAPE learned that in 1964, but when you stop to think that this
great secret, this great reality is being denied to the people
by an elite group of bureaucrats who were never elected, and who
do not have the authority to keep this from the people, that's
the thing that worries me and troubles me the most. I see my
constitution being trashed and I don't like it one bit and I'm
damn near ready to start fighting about it. That's why I'm doing
what I'm doing and why we're holding these conferences and why
we're pushing so hard for a congressional hearing on this
Not only do I believe that the people have the right to know the
truth, they have a need to know the truth and I believe their
government should be honest with them about this.
Bob Hieronimus: We're going to get to those conferences in just
a minute. I just have a couple more preliminary questions to set
it up. Your belief in UFOs caused you some extreme problems
job-wise. Tell us what unfolded in Pima County in 1990-1992?
Bob Dean: That was quite a case, wasn't it?
Bob Hieronimus: That was terrible, and yet I'll mention what a
caller who called in to Zoh's show last week mentioned,
something right after you relate this story because I think it's
very significant how this was handled.
Bob Dean: I had retired from the military in 1976 and in 1977 I
began working for Tucson Pima County Emergency Services. At that
time we were funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency
and we became a part of the Pima County Sheriff's Department not
long after that. I was a professionally trained Emergency
Services Manager for many, many years. But in 1991, my boss
retired after with more than 30 years of service with the city
and the county.
His job was open and I and about 65 other people
applied for it. Well, we went through the whole hiring process
and what happened finally was that the number one person who had
been selected for the job was a friend of mine, a young woman
who worked in Phoenix. She turned the job down and number two on
the list was myself. They never gave me the job. They never
offered it to me, and I'm standing there with my mouth hanging
open wondering what in the world is going on.
I applied for it, went through the whole hiring process and at
the end of this thing they denied me the position and I took
them to task. I said why? Well, they never gave me an honest
answer. Finally I filed a grievance, got myself an attorney,
went through the county hiring procedures, went through the
county civil rights procedures, even went to the state of
Arizona. And I got continual support from everybody indicating
that I was the most qualified, I should have the job, they
should have given it to me.
I finally got my attorney to hold
their feet to the fire, Bob and we found out that they denied me
the position because of my interest in UFO research. My attorney
at that time had a fit. He says what in the world does this have
to do with anything?
Well, we went through two years of litigation. It took me
$31,000 of savings. I had to take a second mortgage out on my
house. In 1993, one week before a jury trial, they decided to
settle with me out of court. They knew that they were going to
lose this thing if we had gone to a jury trial. So one week
before the jury they settled with me out of court. I got the
job, I got the back pay, I got the retirement, I got all of the
things I had asked for and I expected.
But damn it Bob, I had to fight these people for two years,
going in debt and I had to stand by for two years and watch the
chief law enforcement officer of Pima County be defended by the
county attorney's office for violating the law. And on top of
that, the county attorney's office was defending the sheriff
with county funds for violating the law! And boy, that stuck in
my craw. I mean, I couldn't believe that they were so arrogant
about this and the fact that I had been denied the position
because of my interest in the UFO matter.
Well, finally I won the case as I said one week before the jury
trial and after that was over with I decided I didn't trust
these guys anymore. I couldn't work with them, I didn't have any
respect for them so I retired. I took my retirement, I took the
years of service, my pension and I walked away. I was so angry
at that time that that's when I literally came out of the closet
in a big way and began speaking out about this issue. Bob, I
consider this matter to be really the most important issue in
the history of the human race, and that's why I'm speaking out
so openly and so bluntly about it and I'm encouraging other old
codgers, other retired servicemen like myself to do the same.
Bob Hieronimus: Well I'm glad you are, Bob, I really am. But in
my introduction to this hour I read from an Internet release
that claims you have assembled 20 astronauts, former
intelligence officers, generals and admirals who are willing to
testify at a congressional committee about the UFO experiences.
Is this statement true?
Bob Dean: That's true.
Bob Hieronimus: The release also noted you were working with
Steven Greer on this project -- correct?
Bob Dean: Steven and I have been friends for some time. I admire
that young man, he's got a lot of drive and he feels very
strongly about this issue as do I. I've been a member of his
CSETI for some time. So I support Steven in his
efforts and he's been supporting me in mine. Together we have
made some progress. We're both members of a coalition, CSETI and
Stargate International, which is the organization that I
Bob Hieronimus: As a matter of fact, we're going to get to
Stargate International in just a couple of minutes after we take
our break. Is it allowable to give any of the names of these
generals, admirals and astronauts without putting them in any
jeopardy at this time?
Bob Dean: I can give a few names of those who have put
themselves in jeopardy already. I will be glad to share that.
Many of the others are still hoping for an open hearing in
congress. And they're hoping for congressional immunity. Some of
them in this old boys network still have kids in college and
they're paying off mortgages on houses in Virginia and so on.
These people don't deserve to have this sword hanging over their
head like this. Just simply for telling the truth. So I'll get
into that detail...
Bob Hieronimus: Go right ahead.
Bob Dean: What we call it is the Old Boy's Network. The latest
count I had was about 185 of us altogether. We lose someone
along the way from time to time. It's the old story of the Grim
Reaper. Many of us are in our 60's, some of us are in our 70's.
We lose an old buddy now and then but we still have about 185
people and in that group we have admirals, generals, retirees
from all services. We have about 10 astronauts that are active
members of this.
We even have 4 cosmonauts from the Soviet
Union, Bob, who have volunteered to participate with us on this
program. One of them is a three star Russian general who is
still on active duty. His name is Pavel Popovitch (sp?). Pavel
is willing to fly over here and testify in an open congressional
hearing on what the Russians and the Soviets knew about this
subject for many, many years.
As I said, we've got a few people in this group that are still
active. They're major generals, there's one that's a brigadier
general in the Marine Corps. There's a major general in the Air
Force, there's a three star general in the Army who is planning
to retire very soon. Some of these guys have kids in college,
they have mortgages on houses, and as you mentioned earlier,
they face 10 years in prison, a $10,000 fine, and a forfeiture
of all pay and allowances forever, literally! That's got to
Bob Hieronimus: Well, you know, Robert, most American people are
not aware of that, that's why I brought that out in the very
beginning of the show because most of the people that I've
talked to in the past, the people in the media don't read. You
know that all too well. They don't do any research, especially
in this particular area. They get government release in their
hand and that's fine. If NOVA does something on PBS, they take
the information from NOVA as being gospel and it's over.
Bob Dean: I fault the media for that. I don't like that and I
raise a little hell about that.... I was just about to mention
some of the names of some of the astronauts that I've seen
bandied about. Some have joined us in the past. Gordon Cooper
has...has been very open and very honest about it. As you
probably know, Gordon's health is not good. I think he's
suffering from Parkinson's disease. He's two years older than I
Gordon feels the same way I do that, damn it, it's time to
tell the truth that the people have been lied to far too long.
So he's been very outspoken and very honest about it. There's
another one, Ed Mitchell who founded the
Institute, who walked on the moon. Ed Mitchell has been very
candid and honest and forthcoming about his views and his
feelings and the knowledge that he knows. But we've got a whole
bunch of others that are teetering right on the edge.
Bob Hieronimus: Is James Lovett going to come out?
Bob Dean: Well we're hopeful. We've got
Brian O'Leary, the young
man who was part of the Mars program for a time. He was supposed
to be one of the astronauts flying to Mars. Brian has been very
open and honest about this matter. So we've got a number of them
that are quite outspoken but we expect to have maybe 15 or 20
more within the next year.
Bob Hieronimus: One last thing about Gordon Cooper and
Parkinson's disease. Is he in any way treating it
homeopathically or through acupuncture or anything like that?
Bob Dean: I don't know exactly what his medical treatment is
Bob, I know that he has it under control. I talked to him just a
few days ago, and he's active in business. He's trying very hard
to keep his hand in.
Bob Hieronimus: We need to take a break here then when we come
back, we're going to talk about Stargate International and then
Coalitions for Honesty in Government. Now these are two very
important programs especially Coalitions for Honesty in
Government because boy, do we need it! We have a bunch of people
within government that are not paying attention to,... many of
them, I would say, Robert do not even know what the constitution
is. They're willing to give it up, they don't seem to understand
it's importance especially with respect to what America has
achieved, planetary wise.
Our guest is Robert O. Dean who is telling us about NATO's
assessment of the UFO situation and we're going to get to his
plans for a disclosure conference for high ranking personnel to
go public with their information. That's 185, as he calls them:
Old Boys Network. It's just wonderful to know that we still have
those kind of citizens in this country.
...Stargate International you note was created to present
educational forums to the public on ET visitation and contact.
Will you tell us about it, please?
Bob Dean: Yes, Bob, I'll try to give you a little bit of a
background on Stargate. It was made up by myself, my wife and a
few close friends who decided that the time had come, literally
for the truth to be told and the people to be educated about
what's really going on in this country. I agreed with your
statement earlier that the American people literally have not
been paying attention. They've been allowing their
constitutional system to be whittled away on them by these damn
bureaucrats that were never elected to make policy. I think that
they need to be educated.
We're starting this Stargate program
literally an educational program to take it into the schools and
the universities and to take it to the grass roots people and
travel throughout the country and provide them information,
factual information, films, books, videos, photographs, all of
it we have, and tell them look, you've been asleep, you've been
dozing, you're being lied to by your government. It's time to
wake up and realize what's been going on here. We've got the
most important issue in the history of the human race and you've
got to get involved, you've got to pay attention, you've got to
inform yourselves as to what in the world is happening.
Well, that's basically what Stargate is all about. As a result
of that, Stargate has sponsored a conference or two over the
last couple of years. We've got another one in the mill we're
going to try to present this coming October. Initially we were
trying to target sometime in June for this thing, but we've got
so many people who want to attend and so many of the Old Boys
who want to participate that we're going to probably have to do
it in October rather than June.
We're going to have this
disclosure conference right here in Tucson. We're going to have
the stage filled for three days with a whole lot of old
retirees, men hove been in very important positions over the
years. I'm hopeful to have a general or two on the podium. We're
going to do that this fall [Ed. note: postponed due to illness]
and we're going to try and bluntly tell the American people the
time has come to wake up, the time has come to participate, pay
attention, involve yourself in this matter and I figured that if
they won't listen to a bunch of old retirees, I'm talking about
Navy, Air Force, Army, Marines. If they won't listen to us, my
God, who in the world will they listen to?
Your next guest on that program is a friend of mine, a guy by
the name of C.B. Scott Jones. He's a retired Navy Commander. I'm
hoping that maybe C. B. will join us, but I know he will be a
part of it on the hill when we get to open congressional
hearings. I know that he will be part of that. He's been doing a
great deal of work in this area. I commend him for that. When he
comes on, give him my regards if you will.
That's what Stargate is all about, basically. The other thing
that Stargate is pushing, not just the conferences and the open
hearings but we want an open hearing, Bob, on Capitol Hill. We
want it either in the House or the Senate and we will be happy
if it would be a joint effort. We want open hearings, no more
closed doors. We had too many of them. We want these guys to be
given congressional immunity for violating their National
Literally, we want the threat of going to prison
removed for them for simply telling the American people the
truth. That troubles me a lot. That somebody like myself and I'm
teetering on the edge here. I'm threatened by this every time I
open my big mouth. That you can go to prison for 10 years and
pay a $10,000 fine and lose all of your pay, allowances and
retirement simply for telling the American people the truth.
Well, I think the time has come, Bob for the truth to be told
and that's what I'm involved with.
Bob Hieronimus: Doesn't it seem strange that most Americans when
they hear of such laws, first they don't that such laws exist.
Doesn't it seem strange that if UFOs didn't exist, why in the
world would it be necessary to have such laws as 146 or 200-2 or
any of the others. If UFOs didn't exist, why would you need
Bob Dean: That's part of the absurdity, you see. Why in the
world would you need laws like that if UFOs weren't real? Well,
if anybody were paying attention, Bob they would immediately
know that there must be something behind this. Why would you
pass a law like that? Well of course UFOs are real. Of course
alien intelligence is here. We've known that for over 40 years
but it's a lot bigger story than that, Bob. It's not simply the
extraterrestrial involvement. It's a whole complete history of
the human race that's involved here.
Bob Hieronimus: One other thing that I wanted to ask you. You
FEMA and I think that's obviously going to stand you
in good stead in the years to come because I don't think our
planet is going to be the same in the years to come as it is
Bob Dean: I'm afraid you're right.
Bob Hieronimus: So that you know how to prepare yourself to
survive, is that right?
Bob Dean: We're teaching other people to do the same thing.
Bob Hieronimus: Would you recommend that people learn more and
more about survival as the years go on here?
Bob Dean: Well Bob, I'm glad you asked that because that's a
very important issue. Having spent 14 years with FEMA, I'm a
great believer in preparedness. We are in for some very
difficult times ahead. There's no question about it. Not only
geologically, we are in for some rather blunt surprises from
mother nature herself, I'm afraid. But the sociological chaos in
the years ahead is going to be pretty tremendous. I simply
advise people to use a little common sense. I ask them to do
what your grandfathers and great-grandfathers and mine did years
ago and that is simply be prepared for a bad day.
Stock a few
candles. Stock a little bit of kerosene for the lamps. Have a
little extra emergency water on hand. Put a little bit of extra
food aside. Get some stuff that won't spoil, dried beans and
rice and a few things like that. I believe this is simply good
common sense. It's what people are faced with when they have a
terrible flood or an earthquake or a fire. Your ancestors and
mine and most of the Americans who settled this country knew
these things. They always had a larder, they always had a
storeroom with a few basics in it. As a professionally trained
Emergency Management Specialist I would simply ask people to be
a little bit prepared for these things.
Bob Hieronimus: I can't think of almost anything that's more
important if you love your family, your children, your friends.
Bob Dean: We have a number of good
Mormon people out here in the
west. A lot of them are my dear friends and they've taken that
very same approach. The Mormon church teaches plan, be prepared
because things are going to be very difficult. If you care about
your kids, I mean damn it, you want to put a little bit on the
side so you can help them through some difficult times. That's
only common sense, Bob.
Bob Hieronimus: You and your wife, Cecilia, have been serving as
honorary directors of several research expeditions in 1996
through Beyond Boundaries. You've already gone to Puerto Rico?
Bob Dean: Oh, yes.
Bob Hieronimus: You know what's going on down there... Could you
tell us what's going on down there?
Bob Dean: Bob, that's another scandal. I don't know what we can
do about it unless we can get the people to wake up and pay
attention. As you know, Puerto Rico is a territory. It doesn't
have the same privileges as a state. There's U.S. Federal
representation everywhere. There are Army bases, Air Force
bases, Naval bases all over the island. But there's also
something else very, very strange going on down there. When I
was down there I visited, was a guest of Jorge Martin, a young
researcher down there in San Juan.
We visited a beautiful
mountain down there just outside of San Juan and the place was
literally crawling with Wackenhut World Technology Security
people all over the place. Now these people are the same guys
Groom Lake, Site 51, and every time I turned around,
I was seeing
Wackenhut Security keeping
Jorge and I under the
glasses and once or twice I even turned and walked toward them
and they turned and drove away real fast.
But there's something
weird going on in Puerto Rico and the government's up to it's
ear bones in it. It involves extraterrestrial involvement. The
American people have a right to know what in the world is going
on down there. Damn it, the truth has got to be told, Bob. I
ramble a bit about this matter then I get so angry I'm a bit
fractious about it. But the time has come to tell the American
people the truth. The greatest story in history is unfolding and
they're totally ignorant about it.
Bob Hieronimus: In your opinion, when will the U.S. Government
disclose the fact that UFOs exist? Do you think it will be
before the year 2000?
Bob Dean: Yes, I think it's probably going to be before the end
of 1997. I think things are going to be happening Bob that are
going to force them to come forward.
Bob Hieronimus: I wish we had more time. I want to thank you for
joining us Bob, and I hope you will join my wife, Zoh in the
coming months to update us on your progress and perhaps in late
September, 1996 you'll join us once again to promote the
disclosure conference because we think that's extremely
Bob Dean: Thanks for inviting me Bob, and give my regards to C.
B. Scott Jones.