An Interview with
Graham W. Birdsall
Extracted from Nexus
Volume 10, Number 4
The following extracts were transcribed from a filmed interview with
Valery Uvarov, of Russia's National Security Academy, conducted
Graham W. Birdsall, Editor of the UK-based UFO Magazine.
The interview took place at the 12th International UFO Congress
Convention and Film Festival, held February 2-8, 2003, in Laughlin,
Graham Birdsall (GB): What is your official title?
Valery Uvarov (VU): I am head of the Department of UFO
Research, Science and Technical, National Security Academy, based in
St Petersburg, Russia.
GB: This, then, is an official Russian government agency?
VU: Absolutely. I am answerable to two people above me. They
are answerable to the next person above them, who is our President [Putin].
GB: What exactly is your remit?
VU: Our research efforts are divided into two parts. Firstly,
we are constantly analyzing data coming in from all over the world.
We then extract what we consider to be the most interesting
information through our database-which is yellow, which is red.
This, then, is released to various departments throughout Russia.
The other aspect of our research stemmed from asking the question:
do UFOs exist or not?
For sure, we know they exist, but what is behind their
activity, their interest? This is the most important issue for us,
and what we mostly focus our investigations on.
GB: There is active co-operation between NASA and
Russian aerospace officials at a technical, scientific and maybe
even military level. Do you liaise or have ties with organizations
similar to your own overseas?
VU: I can tell you, truthfully, that just a couple of days
before I flew to the United States I had a meeting with my ... let's
say, my bosses. And they said they are very interested in
co-operating with other organizations ... let's say, our friends in
the West. So, I can tell you that this particular mission is at the
starting point. I am charged with finding the right people. When
this is done, and the next stage is activated, we can make some
GB: Earlier, off camera, you alluded to some important
developments concerning the
Tunguska explosion of 1908.
For the record, can you tell us why you now believe you know the
VU: It is not so much a case of belief; we know what caused it. It
was a meteor, but a meteor that was destroyed by ... let's say, a
missile. The missile was generated by a material installation. We
don't know who constructed it, but it was built long, long ago and
is situated in Siberia, several hundred kilometers north of
Tunguska. I can tell you that our investigation has revealed
more than one explosion at Tunguska. Let me share something with
you. The last time that this installation shot down a meteor was on
24/25 September last year
(2002). The Americans ... they have three bases ...
they, too, noticed this explosion. [Editor's Ref: See New Scientist
vol 178 issue 2399 - 14 June 2003]
GB: Forgive me, but some will say this sounds like science
VU: Graham, you know that when we talk about the truths that
lie behind this subject, we only do so with those who have an
understanding of the responsibility that goes with it. And you know
that we are dealing with a technology much further ahead of our
own-one capable of doing things that we cannot.
GB: Can you be more specific about the location of this
VU: Look for the site of the Tunguska explosion. To the
southeast is the very large and famous Lake Baikal. Beyond that, to
the north, is a huge and barren territory covering 100,000
kilometers. Hardly anyone lives there. There are no towns or cities.
Here is where we located the installation ...
GB: Are you aware of strange stories or rumors concerning the
If some new
and heavenly body had entered our solar system, astronomers would
surely detect it and declare its presence.
VU: I cannot speak for astronomers in the West, but astronomers
within our Academy tell us we have nothing to fear. I have heard
people talk about a rotation figure of 3,600 years for this planet,
which is in a similar orbit to that of the Earth but behind the Sun.
We know that this planet and the installation in Siberia are closely
connected. Let me say that we believe that this installation is
keeping that planet in a stable orbit. If that planet were to move,
to shift orbit, the entire solar system would become unstable. Those
of us in the Academy are sure that this planet is inhabited,
and that this installation is designed to protect them and us.
We are sure that nothing dangerous will happen. Everything is under
Our investigations have shown that the Earth has a pulse-a finely
tuned frequency that affects everything, every living thing. Some
12,500 years ago, this pulse corresponded to 360 days of the
year-study the old Egyptian calendar-but then an asteroid struck the
Earth. We believe the orbit of the Earth was altered, artificially,
to compensate for this. Our planet moved further away from the Sun,
to a frequency pulse of 365.
This has taught us to believe that we have friends-friends who watch
over us, silently. They did not allow then, nor will they allow now,
any planet, comet or asteroid to strike and destroy the Earth. This,
for us, is now absolutely clear.
Those who wish to weaponise space ... to tell you the truth, all of us
involved in this project feel a pain in our hearts. Here we all are,
investigating this installation and some other stuff, material
stuff, none of which was constructed by Russians or Americans but by
someone else, someone from outer space. It saddens us when we think
what could happen if weapons are put into space.
Let me speak frankly. This installation has a power system, an energy
source. We have located this. It was during the conflict in the
former Yugoslavia that we first noticed an increase in the output of
that energy. For us, it was incredible, but we now know that this
installation reacts to social upheaval and conflict. Part of our
investigation involved searching through ancient records and
archives, and then we came across the Echutin Apposs Alanhor
[sic] texts. We call them the Alanhor, and they are at
least 4,000 years old. They describe the installation, in scientific
terms, as to what was taking place there. It's amazing.
I have visited the area twice. The first time our equipment detected
strong levels of radiation. I have to tell you, it was pretty
dangerous; we couldn't hide from it. The few local inhabitants of
the area knew of the installation, of course, and they described it
to us. They describe metal-like structures and drew them for us. We
plotted everything on a map. But these people, their families, the
animals, they were suffering from radiation sickness.
The radiation levels have been continuously monitored for the past six
years, and now everyone - including the animals - has left the
forest. Let me tell you something about the Tunguska explosion
- something that has never been spoken of before. Two months before
the explosion, every living animal fled the region. It was as if the
installation had powered up to deal with the asteroid. With that
came an increase in radiation. The same thing is happening now,
GB: Are there any plans to mount another expedition to the area
and to visit the installation?
VU: The radiation is a factor but, yes, another expedition is
planned for later this year. Look, we want to be open and honest
about this. We welcome international participation, but the people
we invite must be responsible in the eyes of the world. We want
people who are honest, open-minded and transparent, who are eager
and willing to co-operate and exchange and then disseminate the
scientific data. I invite you,
Graham, to come to Russia and visit the installation as an
GB: I would be honored. Thank you.
VU: You can tell people that we, Russia, have decided that it
is time that other people should know about this, and not just a
This interview first appeared in the April 2003 edition of
UFO Magazine, published by Quest Publications International