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  source: The Hieronimus & Co.
 
    Newsletter 
	#15-16   
	
    Filmmaker Boris Said and Researcher Richard Hoagland Agree and 
	Disagree 
	
    Both Richard Hoagland and Boris Said are vocal about their 
	suspicions that others in their field of interest -- Egypt -- 
	are hiding what they know or have discovered, and for a variety of reasons.
    Boris does not conclude the cover-up is a conspiracy, but believes 
	instead the Egyptians are most interested in the new discoveries being made 
	by Egyptians and any delay would be caused by pride. Richard, on the 
	other hand, is convinced that certain officials in charge of granting 
	permits for excavation and study and releasing information on discoveries 
	are deliberately hiding or blocking some of the most extraordinary 
	possibilities. They joined Dr. Bob Hieronimus together on March 8, 
	1998 to discuss both the areas upon which they agreed and where they 
	disagreed.
 Richard Hoagland is a former science consultant to Walter 
	Cronkite, CBS News, CNN and NASA, 
	and an advocate of the artificial creation theory for the anomalous 
    Face and "pyramids" Mars. In August of 1993 he received the 
    Angstrom Foundation Medal for Excellence in Science. His Mars 
	anomalies research led him to the study of the ancient mysteries in 
	Egypt when he noticed the striking similarities between the Face on 
	Mars and The Sphinx. He says there is "a real set of 
	connections that we now can prove connects this extraordinary complex on 
    Mars at Cydonia with an equally extraordinary complex on 
    Earth at Giza."
 
 Boris Said has a very unusual biography beginning with an education 
	at Princeton University and a fluent knowledge of several languages 
	including Russian, French, Italian, Spanish and English. From 1953-1980 
    Boris was a sportsman and attained several automobile racing speed 
	records. He was a member of the U.S. Olympic Bobsled Team in 1968 and 1972, 
	and in 1980 Said began the transition to film work as he both drove the 
	four-man bobsled at the Lake Placid Olympics and worked on TV interviews for 
	ABC. Since 1983 his credits have included writing, producing and directing 
	documentaries on bobsledding, dolphins, a Zulu witch doctor, and other 
	varied topics. The 1994 NBC TV feature documentary that he produced with 
    John Anthony West, "The Mysteries of the Sphinx" hosted by 
    Charlton Heston, was awarded an Emmy.
 
 Boris first learned about the mysteries surrounding the monuments in 
	Egypt and the questions about their origins from John Anthony West, 
	when in 1990 West asked him to help make this documentary. West was 
	working with Boston University geologist Dr. Robert Schoch whose 
	ground breaking work indicates that the age of the Sphinx 
    is thousands of years older than the Egyptian civilization itself. "I 
	came to it with no opinions whatsoever," says Boris, regarding the 
	controversial debates on the new findings. "I mean, I didn't know. I had 
	just about figured that Egypt was spelled with a "y" and Sphinx was spelled 
	with an "i", and I had those backwards for a while.... I listened to 
    Robert Schoch the first trip explain why the Sphinx was 
	older than 4-5000 years, and it just made perfect sense to me, I mean, 
	nothing could have been more obvious. The marks were there, it was in the 
	stone, and so I got interested right from the start in... an alternative 
	viewpoint to the age, and perhaps the meaning, of those monuments."
 
 In his bio, Boris states his life goal is to prove the existence of 
	ancient, highly advanced civilizations on our planet, perhaps our true 
	ancestors. It's a new life goal for him, he says. "My life's goal used to be 
	to go faster than anybody else, but now I'm doing something a little 
	headier, and it came from my initial exposure to Egypt, and I've got to 
	thank John Anthony West for that."
 
 
	
    WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS?To this eternal question, Boris says, "they were Egyptians, they lived in 
	Egypt. I mean... we've called them variously "Atlantians" and, 
	I suppose, "Little Green Man from Mars", but that was Egypt, and so 
	therefore, to me, they're Egyptians." He says there is no way the pyramids 
	were intended to be tombs for Pharaohs. "They've never found bodies in them. 
	There's no single mark that identifies the pyramids as the tomb of any 
	particular Pharaoh and, to the extent that in some of the pyramids bodies 
	were later found, I think these structures were probably used as tombs by 
	people who came later. I think that whoever created these structures used 
	something that we don't know [about]." Robert Bauval revealed how, at 
	the dawning of the Age of Leo, the air shafts in the 
    Great Pyramid point directly to the stars of Orion.
    Boris continued to point out how the Sphinx looks like 
	a lion, "its got to give you some indication that the people back then knew 
	something we don't know."
 
 Richard adds that we are the descendants of these architects of the 
	Egyptian monuments, whoever they were. He notes that when he first began his 
	research into the Face on Mars in 1983, he remembers the almost 
	unanimous reaction of archeologists when they were shown unidentified 
	pictures of the Martian anomalies. "The answers ranged from Hanuman, the 
	Indian monkey god, to an aerial view of some pyramid complex in Egypt.. 
	Initially looking at these things, I was thinking in terms of aliens, 
	in terms of other, in terms of visitors to the solar system who had erected 
	a stunning artificial complex on Mars.... Over the ensuing 15 years... my 
	thinking has come perhaps 180º and in good measure because of... John 
	West, Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval." Richard 
    began wondering about the possibilities that the anomalies an Mars 
	perhaps could indeed be related to the monuments in Egypt.
 
 "Which really got me to 
	thinking," he said. "If this stuff on Mars was not alien, if it wasn't 
	somebody else, somebody from way out there, then the comparisons between the 
	architecture we find at 
    Cydonia on Mars 
    and the ancient enigmatic 
	architecture, bits and pieces of which we have found now all around this 
	planet, maybe make the case for a previous high civilization epic on planet 
	Earth, in which case we could be looking at our stuff, the human race. So I 
	think Boris is very perceptive when he says, ultimately, it's 
	Egyptians that did what we see in Egypt. The only question is, how ancient, 
	ancient, ancient were those Egyptians?"
 
 
	
    WERE THE PYRAMIDS ON MARS BUILT FOR THE SAME REASON AS THOSE IN GIZA?Richard says to answer that, one has to examine what the pyramid 
	complex in Egypt was used for,
 
    
    "By tracking the numbers, the 
	geometry, the specific angles, the relationship of these things to each 
	other, and their relationship to the sitting of the things here on Earth, 
	particularly the Giza Plateau, we have gotten on the trail of what I 
	call, an old/new physics, which we term hyperdimensional physics. It 
	turns out its the same physics that physicists like Maxwell and 
	others in England were attempting to launch about 100 years ago. The numbers 
	at Cydonia, the numbers on Mars, the numbers at Giza, 
	the numbers of many ancient sacred sites all over this planet, are the same 
	numbers that Maxwell and Kelvin and those colleagues back in 
	England 100 years ago were deriving as the basis of the physics of the 19th 
	and 20th century.... The usage of the pyramid complex at Giza appears 
	to have been in service to this physics. These were not tombs, not temples, 
	but potentially, machines, huge machines built of limestone as the working 
	substance, the working material, at a specific site on a rotating planet, 
	such as Cydonia is on a rotating Mars." 
     
    The positioning of the 
	structures was of the utmost importance, having to consider the physics and 
	the interaction of the "pyramid machines" with the planet 
	itself when they were turned on. According to Hoagland, this is all 
	part of 
    
     "a 
	technology which we are just beginning to glimpse again, incredibly ancient, 
	incredibly sophisticated, incredibly arcane. We can only now see the empty 
	shells of what might have been a functioning complex whose purpose we are 
	also just beginning to dimly grasp. But it was light years beyond providing 
	tombs for some egocentric Pharaoh." 
    Boris Said agrees, 
	saying, "It's very difficult to find fault with Richard's logic," 
	noting that Bauval's concept suggests the pyramids were placed in a 
	position representing the stars of the Orion constellation. 
    Boris is now working with Tom Danley, sonics expert and 
	consultant to NASA, to explore the air shafts leading down 
	into the King's and Queen's chambers, "which have been described by
    Bauval as lining up with the stars of Orion. Quite 
	recently a fellow named Gantenbrink sent a robotic camera up the end 
	of one of those shafts and he found a door with hinges and apparently some 
	space underneath it. What we've been doing is, we've been approaching this 
	problem from a completely different scientific viewpoint. We've been 
	testing the sonics of the Great Pyramid. We've 
	known for a long time that if you lie in what they call the sarcophagus, 
	which is that stone box in the King's Chamber cut from a solid piece of 
	granite, and you hum, you hum a scale, for example, there will be certain 
	notes that sound louder and more resonant to you than other notes. And 
	recently we had an opportunity to put sensors all over that pyramid, 
    including the five chambers above the King's Chamber, which I guess 
	we're going to discuss in more detail later, and we found that when we 
	activated the pyramid with hugs speakers and amplifiers in the King's 
	Chamber that all of these sensors resonated, leading us to believe that the 
	entire pyramid was some sort of huge sonic machine."
 Richard equates the pyramid to a pipe organ. The openings of some of 
	the recently discovered air shafts from the King and Queen's Chambers are 
	open now and wind is blowing across them like a pipe organ. When you blow 
	air across an organ pipe you get a certain resonant frequency.
    Richard Hoagland says the builders of the pyramids created 
    hyperdimensional machines, placed at certain latitudes on the 
	spinning planet to excite certain acoustic resonances when the air 
	passed through the open passages.
 
 Boris adds that even if the passages were closed, if you had an 
	internal excitation mechanism, the pyramid as a whole will resonate with 
	certain fundamental tones. The more power, the more energy, the louder the 
	tones. "What we proved," says Boris, "was when we got back to the 
	laboratory and analyzed our recordings, we found that there were sounds 
	present in the King's Chamber even when we weren't making any sounds. They 
	were below the audible range, below 20 Hertz, below 20 vibrations per 
	second.... Down as far as half a vibration per second, or half a Hertz. 
	We found that these lower scales had the same five peaks, and when you 
	plotted the peaks on a graph and raised them three or four octaves to where 
	you could hear them, low and behold, it was the same notes. It was the same 
	chord... an F sharp chord, which the early Egyptian 
	texts suggest was a harmonic of Mother Earth. And I 
	might tell you, coincidentally, and we bring this out in our tape, a lot of 
	Native American makers of sacred flutes, tune their flutes to F sharp. 
	Why? Because it's compatible with the harmony of Mother Earth. 
	Now that's just too big a coincidence."
 
 
	
    THE PYRAMIDS WERE USED FOR SONIC RESONANCEBoris continues, "We're right now working on a program to replicate 
	the Giza pyramid in a virtual reality state with virtual 
	sound, which we believe will restore, in theory, restore the pyramid to the 
	way it was when the sides were smooth. You know if you think about the wind 
	blowing over the aides of the pyramid, it's like blowing across the mouth of 
	a pop bottle. It makes a hooting sound, it makes a toot, right? You blow 
	across a Coke bottle? Well, we think that's what used to happen with the 
    Great Pyramid. And we believe that if we can replicate the 
	pyramid, make it smooth, and get rid of the incursions, all of the 
	tunnels.... We believe that maybe the entrance to the pyramid was from the 
	bottom, from down underneath somehow, a long series of tunnels. Because 
	clearly, there was no intrusion into the grand gallery, and we believe that 
	was all part of the giant echo chamber that enhanced the vibrations.... 
	We're gonna try and compare this condition to other pyramids around the 
	world and see whether perhaps that wasn't what they had in mind."
 
 Richard explains that in resonance theory, "it's really the mass and 
	the length of the cavities or chambers that determine the ultimate tones 
	that a structure will produce." He says Boris and his NASA 
    colleagues are on the trail of a theoretical model that Stan Tenen 
    and I have been working on for about ten years relating to the model that 
	the pyramids really were machines designed by an extraordinary physics, much 
	older than the classical Egyptian model, designed to do something 
	interacting with the planet. Now, if you excite these things 
	acoustically, meaning with sound, not from the outside but from the inside, 
	with technology which is now missing because it was all taken away, you got 
	the same effect that Boris is talking about.
 
 "The very structure of the pyramids is calcium carbonate, limestone, which 
	has a certain molecular configuration of the crystal. It's a little 
	tetrahedron made of calcium and carbon atoms, over and over and over 
	again in six million tons of this stuff stacked up in a perfect geometry of 
	the crystal itself called the Great Pyramid. Now if you excite 
	this, if you basically create a tone inside with some kind of huge loud 
	speakers or huge system powered by some energy source... the result is the 
	entire pyramid, all six million tons, will vibrate. It will resonate. It 
	will sound a set of tones, the tones that Danley and Boris are 
	now tracking, in a very faint way." Richard envisions the builders of 
	the Pyramid designing it so the amplified tones would literally twist the 
	calcium carbonate crystal back and forth in a rhythmic pattern in such a way 
	that you could also twist space and time itself and 
	potentially create extraordinary changes of consciousness. He goes on to 
	say that "because the pyramid, through the plateau, is anchored to trillions 
	and trillions of tons of this limestone stretching a quarter of a way around 
	the planet to Indonesia, you literally could change the resonant 
	characteristics of Planet Earth itself if you pumped enough 
	energy into the pyramids [serving] as machines at their precise latitude".
 
 
	
    ALL THINGS ARE VIBRATIONBoris says be doesn't know about hyperdimensional physics and 
	space time travel, but he "loves the work that Richard's doing and I 
	think it should all come together.... What I'm saying is that if you lie in 
	the pyramid and you hum or you chant it's conceivable that you could put 
	yourself into an altered state... There is a very easy way to establish the 
	logic of this argument, and that is to try it out, and that's what we're 
	trying to do. There are sounds .... that tape, you know, that were made 
	inside this King's Chamber, and if nothing else, they're spooky." He says 
	they are something different, something we haven't heard, or been exposed to 
	in a long time, although researchers like Don Campbell, a former 
	guest on 21st Century Radio® are showing how vibrations and classical music 
	can be used to assist healing in surgery and in analysis. "I think that 
	we're getting to a point," says Boris, "where all of a sudden we're 
	going to find out that vibes is not just a colloquial expression for the New 
	Age.... It's where healing is, it's where altered states are, where 
	awareness is."
 
 
	
    HOAGLAND AND SAID TAKE SIDES ON THE GANTENBRINK DOORRichard explained the significance of the famous Rudolph 
	Gantenbrink discovery that has caused so much controversy in the past 
	decade.
 
    
    "Back in the early '90s one 
    Rudolph Gantenbrink was invited to the plateau, to Egypt, with a 
	little robot called Upuaut, which means "opener of the 
	way", to basically go up the shafts between the interior of the pyramid 
	and the outside -- the air shafts in the King's Chamber that angle up at 
	about 45 degrees through the masonry, through that six and a half million 
	tons of limestone, and then similar shafts that angle up at a similar angle 
	from the Queen's Chamber which is below the King's Chamber, down deep in the 
	bowels of the pyramid, almost in the center, and also now exit on the 
	outside -- or at least the ones on the north exit, the ones on the south do 
	not, and Gantenbrink built this at the cost of something like two or 
	three hundred thousand dollars -- a little robot with a cable, with 
	closed-circuit television, with lasers to direct it, and he sent it up the 
	shaft inside the pyramid and he videotaped what he saw. And through 
	circuitous routes, this video made its way out of Egypt when there was a 
	political kind of "falling out" between the Egyptians and the 
	Germans. And it wound up on the BBC through the good offices 
	of, among others, Robert Bauval, who kind of "midwifed" this to the 
	world. And what we saw was the discovery of a here-to-for unknown little 
	door, about eight inches square at the end of about a 180 foot shaft angled 
	up from the Queen's Chamber that this little robot had imaged 
	when it crawled up on its little tractor treads to the end of this tunnel. 
	And the big controversy was, number one: What was behind the door, because 
	it was a long way from the outside of the pyramid. There could be a very big 
	room behind that little door. And number two: Why did the Egyptians, 
	particularly Dr. Zahi Hawass, who's in charge of the plateau, 
	suddenly get very uninterested in going past the door and finding out what 
	was on the other side? Boris?"
 "Well, OK, I view the story slightly differently, and this is one of the 
	places Richard and I disagree" said Boris. "That's because 
    Zahi Hawass has never precluded me from shooting anything I wanted to 
	shoot in Egypt, in fact, has given me three opportunities to go up above the 
	King's Chamber with a full television crew.... My understanding of the 
    Gantenbrink story was that when Gantenbrink got permission to use 
	his robotic camera there, he was supposed to have had an agreement with the 
	Egyptian government where the announcements of what was back there were 
	going to be made by the Egyptian government, giving him full credit. And the 
	Egyptians claim that what Gantenbrink did was violate the terms of 
	their secrecy agreement, went out and broadcast the whole story to the world 
	as his find. And the story that I heard was that not only the Egyptians but 
	also some of the official German organizations were a might "put one with 
    Mr. Gantenbrink for leaking the story". Now, I don't know which is true, 
	but I can tell you that I've never had a problem. I think that a lot of 
	these problems, these secrecy problems, arise because people forget that 
	we're dealing with Egypt, with a sovereign country, and that the artifacts 
	and the secrets of the past in Egypt are, after all, Egyptian.... There are 
	more Egyptian artifacts in the British museum than them are in all of Egypt, 
	for God's sake, so the Egyptians have some precedence for being a little bit 
	"put out" with what they see as foreign exploitation."
 
    Richard stated, "the fact 
	is, the door is discovered in '93, it's now '98 and, as far as we know, no 
	effort has been made to put an optical probe, a fiber optics cable, a little 
	TV camera, anything under the door -- there's a crack, the bottom right hand 
	corner. Nor has there been any effort to go through the door or to raise the 
	door as a portcullis, which it appears to be. And Zahi Hawass is 
	officially on record as saying at one point that there was nothing behind 
	the door, that it was simply a false trail, and there was no interest 
	scientifically."
 Boris says the door may be like an air regulator for using the Great 
	Pyramid as an instrument. "If someone would ask me today what the door was 
	about, and I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me, I think it's like 
	looking at a clarinet I think that door has something to do with regulating 
	the flow of air down that shaft and I also think, because I want to just 
	sneak this in here edgewise, that the reason these shafts are not straight, 
	the reason you can't see through them to the stars of Orion is 
	for the same reason that the neck of a saxophone isn't straight. I think it 
	all has something to do with the velocity and the effect of the air blowing 
	across those shafts. They are eight inch shafts -- what in the world could a 
	door be doing there? I mean, presumably, eight inch people were trying to 
	get in and then locked the door, or presumably it was to keep rain out? The 
	shaft is 240 feet long. What I'd like to know is, if you've got a shaft 
	eight inches in diameter, extending for 224 feet or whatever it is, on an 
	angle up through solid rock, why would you put a door 20 yards from the end, 
	logically?"
 
 Richard points out that it's quite possible that "the pyramids 
	are not classic Egyptian, that they're much, much older, maybe circa 
	13 thousand years old or maybe 50 thousand years old, or maybe even older 
	than that, because there's no way to date the stone. It is conceivable that 
	we're dealing with a high tech civilization that placed these pyramids there 
	for purposes that have nothing to do with the classic Egyptian mythologies 
	and ceremonies." He continued by saying, "the Egyptians that came much, much 
	later, the current generation of Egyptians, and by current, I mean the last 
	6,000 years, merely took advantage of preexisting monuments built by their 
	great, great, great, great, great, great ancestors and created ceremonies to 
	explain the ineffable, the enigmatic, the mysterious. It's conceivable that 
	if these pyramids were left there by a very sophisticated, high tech race, 
	long vanished into time the same lineage of whatever built the structures on 
	Man, of that caliber of technology, then in essence they could be time 
	capsules. And time capsules only function if you can keep the barbarians 
	from getting at the pod stuff in the time capsule until the time is ready. 
	The eight inch shafts are perfect deterrents to tomb robbers and grave 
	diggers and all the stuff that's going on in Egypt in terms of everything 
	valuable being looted in the previous several thousand years. The only way 
	you can get up that eight inch shaft is by a 20th century technology and 
	science that can build a Gantenbrink robot, send it up the shaft, 
	knock on the little door, and see what's waiting for all of us behind it."
 
 Boris wants to know "How come if they were going to leave a time capsule 
	they would leave it at a place where it would be reasonably easy to excavate 
	from the outside? Why didn't they put it down into the pyramid, or why 
	didn't they hide it some way? My question is, how come, fee up there at the 
	end of an eight inch shaft? Well, you could shinny up the outside of that 
	thing, and whack away at it with pick axes, and probably get to it."
 
 
	
    CONTROVERSY OVER THE SCHOR EXPEDITIONBoris was part of the Dr. Joseph Martin Schor expedition in 
	1996, which was funded by the A.R.E. He recalls, "When we were 
	doing our radar and our seismic tests under the Sphinx, we 
	located what appeared to be a 30 by 40 foot cavity about 30 feet below the 
	paw. I went to Dr. Schor in 1995 [and he] agreed to fund an 
	expedition to try and record the opening of that tunnel. We spent two years.
    Dr. Schor had a permit to explore the Giza Plateau, and 
	we had a permit to film. Dr. Schor took over all the science and the 
	government negotiations, and I wound up the filmmaker."
 
 During the ensuing drawn-out negotiations with the FOX Television Network, 
	the Schor expedition returned several times to Egypt to record the 
	exploits. In the Fall of 1996 Boris reports that they uncovered a 
	polished, black granite sarcophagus lid at the bottom of a well, 120 feet 
	below the surface of the plateau. They put their ground penetrating 
	radar to work and determined that there was no sarcophagus under the lid. 
	Instead, about two and a half meters down, it appeared there was an 
	"anomalous cavity" two and a half meters wide with a domed ceiling that 
	descended at an incline of 25 degrees in the direction of the Sphinx, 
	about 275 yards away. According to their seismographer, there was no 
	geological formation that could have been responsible for that sort of 
	configuration on the radar. After their return to New York, FOX essentially 
	demanded absolute control over the script and content of the show they were 
	working on, even though they already had 42 minutes of a 48 minute hour in 
	the can. Boris says at the same time he was becoming suspicious about 
	FOX's motivations, and decided their proposal was more of a "sell-out".
 
 "In the end," he says, "I thought, if we're that close to opening the 
	tunnel, let's just go open the tunnel and see what's down there, you know, 
	and then well run an option later with the network. What I did not know.. 
	[was] that Dr. Schor's permit to explore the plateau had been revoked 
	by the Antiquities Committee, I know not why. But when we got over there in 
	February of 1997 and went down in the bottom of the wells to film, we found 
	out that although we had a permit to film, there was no permit to actually 
	use the radar. And that's when it hit the fan, because at that point I said, 
	"what is this, how come we weren't told?" And Zahi said, "I thought 
	you knew" and, of course, I didn't know because Dr. Schor hadn't 
	bothered to tell me. To make a long story short, they would not let us lift 
	the lid, they would not let us dig down into the tunnel, and that's where 
	the matter stands. My own feeling is that the tunnel is probably under 
	water, because I believe it's below the water table, the tunnel is below the 
	water table that exists on the Giza Plateau at the moment. 
	There are all sorts of rumors that they've been trying to pump the water out 
	of there, which is kind of like trying to lower the level of the ocean. And 
	I also understand that they lifted, that they raised that Sarcophagus lid 
	and were unable to dig beneath it because of the water, but that's hearsay."
 
 "Now Dr. Schor is suing me for control of the film," Boris 
    continued, "and I'm basically trying, through alternate means in Egypt, to 
	persuade the Egyptians to open their own tunnel, because, as you know, as 
	I've said before, I believe that the Egyptians are sovereign and I believe 
	that they should be in charge of opening this tunnel. I've even offered to 
	create a television production in conjunction with, and in association with, 
	Egyptian television, so that the Egyptians would have absolute and complete 
	control over this project. I trust them to tell the truth. I think that the 
	problem is that there have been so many agendas, you know -- FOX,
    Dr. Schor, God knows, all these people seem to have an agenda."
 
 After obtaining permission from the Egyptian authorities, Boris would 
	like to take a group of impartial observers to Egypt and have them standing 
	around the monitor when the excavation is attempted. "What we're trying to 
	do is get permission to drill a hole into the room and send a camera down 
	through the hole... send a sealed drill down, so that no air can get in, in 
	case there is something perishable down there, and send a camera down, and 
	see what's down there."
 
 Richard disagrees with the significance of the Schor 
    expedition discovery of the "secret" tunnels under the Sphinx, 
	suggesting the commotion created by the Egyptians about them is merely a 
	diversionary tactic employed to distract the public from the truly important 
	location for excavation: behind the Gantenbrink door. He says some 
	extraordinary footage fell into his hands from unnamed sources connected 
	with the Schor expedition. "That footage not only corroborates 
	the idea that there's really interesting activity going on inside the 
	pyramid but that activity includes the actual digging of what I've called a 
	secret tunnel. [They are] sequestering limestone from that tunnel in little 
	burlap bags, actually they're big burlap bags, upstairs in chambers above 
	the King's Chamber for a while, and that the ostensible, possible reason for 
	this secret tunneling is to get into the room behind Gantenbrink's 
	Door without anybody knowing."
 
 Boris points out that using the term "secret tunnels" is incorrect. 
	"The tunnel is a fact.... The tunnel was as obvious as a tunnel would be. 
	Get up to the top of a level there, and there it is, you know. Where it 
	goes, I have no idea. It certainly seems to go in the direction that 
    Richard says this room would be. It seems certainly to be heading in the 
	direction at the end of that air shaft. I just don't believe they're hiding 
	it. If they were hiding it, my question to everybody is, why would they let 
	me up there with a crew?" Boris says that with all the pros and cons 
	about Dr. Zahi Hawass, "I can only tell you that he has never said to 
	me, 'Don't shoot here'. He's never said to me, 'You can't go there'. They 
	have made it certainly difficult to get permits to dig, to excavate, that 
	sort of thing. That's been unbelievable -- and I think a lot of that's to do 
	with the ego of who's going to get to make the announcement, who's going to 
	get to be the discoverer, and so forth. So that's just my own personal view.
    But as far as that tunnel is concerned, yes it's there. Where does it 
	go, I don't know. It was 10 feet long the first time I saw it, 40 feet long 
	or 50 feet long the second time I saw it, and it was clearly being dug, sort 
	of, along one of the walls of the first chamber above the Kings Chamber."
 
 
	
    RUMOR MILLLarry Hunter and others claim that under the direction of Zahi 
	Hawass, items are being secretly removed from these newly discovered 
	chambers and sold on the black market. There are other even wilder rumors 
	circulating on the Internet attached to the recent legitimate discoveries in 
	and around the Great Pyramid and Sphinx.
 
 Richard says he has "no current knowledge, rumors not withstanding, 
	of things taken out of the pyramid that are of a high tech nature." In terms 
	of Larry Hunter's stories, Richard states, "I do not have 
	access to his sources and I can't vouch for their accuracy or inaccuracy." 
	He does point out, however, that completely independent of Larry, 
	years before he ever even knew that Larry existed, at a 1987 book 
	signing he was approached by a young man with appropriate credentials who 
	claimed to be related to,
 
    
    "one of the most prominent 
	nuclear physicist the world has ever known," someone "critically involved in 
	the development of the Manhattan Project." This young man 
	claimed to have direct knowledge of an American C-130 dispatched from Wright 
	Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton Ohio to Cairo after which it was secreted 
	away by the U.S. Air Force at Wright Patterson where it was undergoing 
	analysis. 
    He also notices coincidences 
	that indicate other discoveries could include "very important technological 
	artifacts... in another secret chamber... down towards the Queen's Chamber 
	from the grand gallery access." He says there were "three rooms discovered 
	[with] radioactive sand in them, down that corridor, by the 
	Japanese and the French."
 "Whether this has taken place several times over the history of the modern 
	exploration of the pyramids, I do not know," says Richard, "but there 
	is a pattern here.... The pattern is that under Dr. Hawass and the 
	Egyptian Antiquities Council, a variety of foreign experts, using very 
	sophisticated, high technology tools, over the last 10, 20, 30 years, have 
	been brought to the plateau, have found major discoveries, and then they're 
	kicked out. And we never find out what happens to the leads and the 
	"doorways" they literally open. That is very disturbing to me."
 
 Boris says he doesn't know anything about "C-130s and 
	radioactive sand," but be is in touch with a fellow now "who claims 
	that the Ark of the Covenant was buried up there somewhere and
    was radioactive." He also says that,
 
    
    "periodically there are stories 
	of blue lights coming out from under the Sphinx and people disappearing and 
	so on.... But again, all I can tell you is, I've never seen anything 
	disappear illicitly from the pyramid, and I maintain that whatever the 
	Egyptians want to take out of their pyramid is not illicitly taken out. It's 
	taking the stuff out I don't know what they've taken out. I've never out. 
	never me always been very open with me. Perhaps they have an agenda. 
    Perhaps they want me doing my thing there and distracting people from the 
	truth. I don't know. I only know what I see through the lens and that 
	is, everything that I've asked to photograph.    
    Now, I haven't gone to Zahi 
    and said, 'Hey, we'd like to take pictures of the C-130 next time it comes, 
	you know. I mean, we're looking for what's going on under the Sphinx. 
	We're looking at the Pyramid as a possible clue to a previous civilization, 
	and if, along the way, we turn up some evidence that Richard could 
	use, I'm thrilled." He's certain no theft is taking place. "I've been 
	working an that plateau for nine years and I have a lot of friends there, 
	and they know that if they come up with information, they have my collect 
	number to call.... And I can tell you, I don't believe that that's happened, 
	over the last nine years, in any event, since I've been involved. Now, I 
	could be wrong. I'm not, you know, I'm not there, I'm not the CIA, but not 
	to my knowledge has any of this stuff been going on.... I believe that 
    Zahi is protecting the Sphinx. I think that he was born to 
	that. I think that his life's goal is to protect his plateau, and I think 
	he's trying to prevent what he sees as foreign exploitation of the 
	sacraments of the sacred objects of Egypt... I think that he or the Egyptian 
	archeologists or the Antiquities Department would like the credit, because 
	so far they haven't been credited with anything. It's all been Howard 
	Carter and a variety of French and Japanese and German archeologists." 
    Richard says he has no 
	direct knowledge of a cover-up or secret discoveries, but emphasizes that 
	"if you believe that the establishment would not allow into the mainstream 
	stunning evidence that the pyramids are older than 6,000 years, that they 
	were built by a civilization so much more ancient that our heads would spin
    if we were to have physical, verifiable proof then you can believe that 
	that level of suppression of that extraordinary kind of evidence would, in 
	fact, take place. In the real world, in the mainstream world, the 
	circumstantial evidence in favor of the suppression theory is here. Since 
	1993 we've had an extraordinary puzzle, the Gantenbrink Door, 
	and nobody has been allowed to go behind it, Why not? ... It makes no sense. 
	It's illogical to find a mystery and then say we're not going to try to find 
	out the answer."
 NOTES:
 
    
    For more Information on Richard 
	Hoagland's work visit
    
	www.enterprisemission.com ,  
    or send an SASE to Planetary 
	Horizons, P.O. Box 1130, Placitas, NM 87043. For an autographed copy of his 
	book, The Monuments of Mars, call 1-888-338-8581.
 You can learn more about Boris Said's work on the web at
    www.magicaleye.com 
    , or send an SASE to 1906 
	Smugglers Hill Rd, Friday Haror, WA 98250. To order his video, "Behind The 
	Scenes At The Giza Plateau", call 1-800-243-1438.
 
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